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[Douglas Mercer]

I'll reply to The Order review on Counter-Curents when I have more time. The reviewer, Ondrej Mann, is the man who recently interviewd me for Counter-Currents, which helped the National Alliance when I attended the recent invitation-only C-C Spring Retreat in Europe. Meanwhile, I respond to your most recent C-C comment at C-C: : https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/calexit-anyone/



Will Williams:June 13, 2025

Douglas Mercer: June 13, 2025 In the [1974] movie Death Wish the character played by Charles Bronson asks his son-in-law what it means when people cut and run at the first sign of conflict. The son-in-law responds: that we are civilized? To that Bronson just shakes his head and says: no.
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I cannot speak to the recent Jew-produced remake of Death Wish but I always enjoyed the original where Bronson’s White protaganist character hunted down and violently dispatched the nigger thugs who had raped his daughter and murdered his wife. The NY Times review of that movie at the time contained this pearl:

…Joseph Delon, 30, of Brooklyn, an Oriental who described his occupation as “bum,” shouted so people entering the theater could hear: “This is the worst picture I’ve ever seen in my life. A white man can get away with anything in America. I’ve never seen so much racism in a nloyie —six blacks get killed for every wiiite.”

His 30‐year‐old black wife, Vonnie, who was carrying their month‐old daughter, Nia, added, “This picture stinks. I wish we had our $8 back.”

Thank You Will. I look forward to your comment on the CC review of The Order

[Will Williams]

Self explanatory comment replying to Broadreach and Hamburger Today (Wimpy):https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/calexit-anyone/


Will Williams: June 13, 2025
I have experienced some difficulty lately with quickly editing a comment once submitted and noticing misspellings, etc. But this comment, below, did not appear at all when submitted. Fortunately, I save C-C comments in my email Drafts in case this happens, so I resubmit it now, thanks:

Broadreach: June 13, 2025 And what will happen to future ill-run Southern California when its supply of northern fresh water is cut off?
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Good question, one our folks rarely ask.

Wars have many levels of available tactics. One guerilla saboteur tactic I’ll always remember, using “economy of force,” since our side is so outnumbered, was in a conversation I enjoyed with Tom Metzger 30 years ago. Tom had lived in Fallbrook, California, near San Diego, until he eventually became the last White man in his formerly White neighborhood and the GD SPLC stole his house. Not to be defeated, he relocated to Indiana to be near family there and continued his work for our race until his last breath.

Tom had suggested, bomb the dams; flood southern California and thirsty invasive Mestizos will scatter back to their own homelands like roaches at night when the lights are turned on. How would that affect White Californians? We don’t know.

Collectively, dams in the Colorado River basin can hold four to five times the river’s annual flow, generating hydroelectricity and supplying irrigation and municipal water for over 35 million people.

Dams can be rebuilt but slowly, the way California’s failed high-speed rail project has progressed. See how WikiJews describe that mess, here: California High-Speed Rail – Wikipedia

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Hamburger Today: June 12, 2025 I think we should crush them. Drive them out. Let’s have a real conflict that has some value for White America…
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You and what army, Wimpy? ;o}

[Will Williams]

Gary exposes the idiocy of a filthy rich White heiress. One has to wonder what her other billionaire family heirs think about her: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/let-california-go/



Will Williams: June 13, 2025

Gary: June 13, 2025 Walmart heiress promotes the “No Kings” movement, which will sponsor demonstrations (riots) on Saturday, June 14th…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... n-june-14/
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Thanks for that, Gary. Miss Christy would keep her ignorant trap shut if she had any sense. Does she not realize that most Walmart shoppers, though maybe not readers of (((The Times))), are committed Trumpsters? From the Forbes article:

“Her message promotes peaceful dialogue and the sharing of diverse views and voices…

Joe Pennington, director of Walmart’s global press office, highlighted that “the advertisement from Christy Walton are in no way connected to or endorsed by Walmart.”

Good try, Joe.

[Will Williams]

I am thankful to Mr. Mann for reviewing The Order at my request: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/the-order/ I will have plenty to say about the movie and his review of it now that it is a featured article, but for now this comment responding the the excellent young writer, Mr. Chambers.



Will Williams: June 14, 2025

Dave Chambers: June 13, 2025 There are plenty of films with White Nationalist villains, but I’m not aware of any Hollywood production about… the San Francisco “Zebra Murders.”
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What a wonderful movie Zebra will make for long-suffering White moviegoers, if not brought to the screen by White-hating, lying Jews.

National Alliance used to sell Clark’s book and Dr. Pierce wrote this description of the Black on White killings 26 years ago, available here: “Knowledge and Discipline” at nationalvanguard.org

…The Jewish media bosses hoped that you wouldn’t pay any attention to the news about the murder of Attilio Cicala, but I’m going to tell you about it now, because I think it’s something you ought to know.

The story goes back 25 years to a horrendous series of racial murders in California, many of them in the San Francisco area. Over a period of six months in 1973 and 1974 members of an offshoot of the Black Muslims called “Death Angels” murdered several hundred White men, women, and children. The exact number will never be known, because many of the victims were so-called “street people”: runaway teenaged girls on drugs, hippies, and the like — people who weren’t missed. There were many of these pitiful lost souls on the streets of San Francisco in the 1960s and 1970s. Their corpses often were hacked up and dumped in the ocean or buried. But the San Francisco police who tracked the Death Angels counted 15 very tangible victims from all walks of life, not just street people: 15 murdered White people, and eight others who were seriously injured during attempts to murder them. While they were looking for the killers the police referred to the series of murders as the “Zebra” killings: all Black on White.

Eventually the Death Angels were broken up when San Francisco police arrested eight of them. Four of them were put on trial, and after the longest trial in California history — a year and six days — were convicted on all counts. The transcript for the trial filled nearly 14 thousand pages and was bound in 141 volumes.

You say you never heard of any of this? Could that be because the Jewish media bosses — the ones who have been making such a circus of Benjamin Smith’s killing of one Black and one Korean — didn’t want you to hear about it? Could it be that the news of the Zebra murders didn’t fit the pattern of White aggressors and non-White victims that the media bosses wanted to imprint on the consciousness of the White public?

During the trial of the four Death Angels between March 3, 1975, and March 9, 1976, a great deal of interesting information came out that the White public should have been told about. One of the Death Angels who had been involved in many of the murders, Anthony Harris, obtained immunity from prosecution by testifying against the other Death Angels. Harris was on the witness stand for 12 days, and the chilling details of his testimony make very interesting reading. He told the court that the Nation of Islam — the so-called “Black Muslims” — taught that the murder of a White person — a “blue-eyed devil” — was pleasing to Allah. There was an elite organization in the Nation of Islam whose members had especially pleased Allah. That was the Death Angels. To become a Death Angel one had to murder nine White men or five White women or four White children. In 1974 the San Francisco chapter of the Death Angels had fifteen accredited members.

Harris related the horrifying details of some of the murders. There were the young White couple, Richard and Quita Hague, who were grabbed off a San Francisco street at gunpoint, taken to a rail yard, and butchered with a machete. Richard, a mining engineer, was 30 years old. His wife Quita, a reporter, was 28. They were out for an after-dinner stroll when three Black Muslims forced them into a van. Two of the Muslims were in the process of raping Quita when the third grabbed her by the hair, dragged her over to the railroad tracks, and slashed her throat.

Some of the White victims were taken to a loft used by the Death Angels, where they were tied to chairs and tortured to death. Harris testified that he was given the butchered remnants of one of these kidnapped torture victims, all trussed up in a plastic sheet like a turkey, and told to drive the package to a bluff overlooking San Francisco Bay and throw it into the water. Other victims, more fortunate, were simply gunned down on the street. And the killing wasn’t confined to San Francisco or even to California. Other groups of Death Angels murdered Whites in other states: in New York, in Georgia, in Florida. The word spread among Black Muslims everywhere. The only people who didn’t hear about what was happening were ordinary White citizens, like Richard and Quita Hague. They didn’t hear about it because the Jewish media bosses didn’t want the White population to become alarmed. They didn’t want Whites to take measures to protect themselves. They didn’t want Whites to stop feeling guilty about how badly they had treated minorities…

Additional Reading: Clark Howard, Zebra (Richard Marek Publishers, New York, 1979)

Read more of the horrid details of these murders at the link.

[Will Williams]

Popular C-C commenter Hyacinth responds to my comment about mention of the American who made the statement about the importance of Dr. Pierce's National Alliance and discussion of the JQ: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/co ... st-no-640/



Will Williams: June 14, 2025

Hyacinth Bouquet: June 14, 2025 When I heard that reference during the podcast, I immediately thought of you!


I’m flattered, Hyacinth. Perhaps that American mystery man’s statement from the audience that concluded the panel discussion was recorded and can be shared? ;o}

[Will Williams]

I saw Betrayed in a theater in Franklin, NC, in 1988 with friends. I was working with Ben Klassen at the time and had been corresponding with imprisoned members of the Order on which the trashy movie was allegedly "roughly based" : https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/the-order/


Will Williams: June 14, 2025

Bigfoot: June 14, 2025 A movie with a similar theme came out in 1988 called “Betrayed” starring Tom Berenger and [Jewish actress] Debra Winger. The movie is fictional. The Wikipedia article about it says that it is roughly based on Bob Mathews and The Order. Tom Berenger’s character is a Vietnam Veteran and a farmer who belongs to a group who kill blacks for sport and plot assassinations of non-whites and Jews.  Debra Winger’s character is an FBI agent who infiltrates the group posing as a farm hand and falls in love with Tom Berenger’s character, even after learning his views. The movie appears to show Tom Berenger’s character as somewhat more complex as opposed to a simple caricature of a neo-nazi. Like most movies, it has flaws and parts of it are unrealistic. An in-depth review of it would make a good Counter-Currents article.
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An in-depth review is not necessary, Bigfoot, but thanks for the reminder. Like The Order, that claims to be based on truth, Betrayed is just more Hollywood anti-White propaganda. I viewed the fictional "spy thriller" when it was released and, knowing what I knew at the time about Mathews and the Order, could see it was just more Jewish bullshit. I could never look at actor Berenger the same after seeing his fictional portrayal of Mathews in Betrayed. WikiJews say:

Betrayed is a 1988 American spy thriller film directed by Costa-Gavras, written by Joe Eszterhas, and starring [Jewish actress] Debra Winger and Tom Berenger. The plot is roughly based upon the terrorist activities of American neo-Nazi and white supremacist Robert Mathews and his group The Order.

[Will Williams]

When this comment did not appear on C-C in a timely manner I resubmitted it an hour and 43 minutes later -- only to discover now it had appeared both times: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/calexit-anyone/


Will Williams: June 14, 2025
Will Williams: June 13, 2025 at 7:46 pm
I have experienced some difficulty lately with quickly editing a comment once submitted and noticing misspellings, etc. But this comment, below, did not appear at all when submitted. Fortunately, I save C-C comments in my email Drafts in case this happens, so I resubmit it now, thanks:

Broadreach: June 13, 2025 And what will happen to future ill-run Southern California when its supply of northern fresh water is cut off?
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Will Williams: June 13, 2025 at 5:03 pm
Broadreach: June 13, 2025 And what will happen to future ill-run Southern California when its supply of northern fresh water is cut off?

[Will Williams]

I was hoping to add what's at the bottom here in red to this C-C comment, but, again, was disallowed to edit as I have been previously: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/the-order/


Will Williams: June 14, 2025

Bigfoot: June 14, 2025 at 6:52 pm … Since we have been discussing both the state of California and the flaws of the Jewish dominated film industry, an interesting phenomenon has happened recently. Film production in L.A. is at an all-time low. It’s due to different reasons, but cost is the biggest. It has become cheaper to produce films in other states a lot of the time… Maybe the Jewish power brokers in L.A. are starting to become concerned that they will some of their control over the entertainment industry.
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Yes, it’s less expensive to produce films away from tight controls of monopolistic Jewish Hollywood studios, but the Jewish power brokers still manage to control many aspects like casting, promotion, reviews and distribution.

As for The Order movie, it is pretended to be set in Idaho but was filmed in Canada.

Set primarily in the Pacific Northwest, The Order was filmed entirely on location in Alberta, Canada:

The film tells the true story of a white supremacist group that was active in the 1980s and committed a series of violent crimes, including bank robberies and armored car hijackings.

https://www.atlasofwonders.com/2025/02/ ... ilmed.html

[Will Williams]

I finally get around to commenting about Ondrej's review of The Order by offering words of Dr. Pierce about Bob Mathews' deeds and compare those with bs from Jew "hate expert" J.M. Berger: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/the-order/



Will Williams: June 15, 2025

Ondrej Mann: June 14, 2025 Thanks for the high level of discussion. People on CC are intelligent, well-mannered, and able to respect others even when they disagree with them... CC is a unique place for good white people.
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You are so right, Ondrej! Discussion of this movie is a topic that will lead to disagreements among even the good people that frequent C-C, but so important so good people can come to understand and counter the lies about The Order and The Turner Diaries novel by organized Jewry. You concluded in your review:

Bob was a fanatical idealist in the wrong place at the wrong time. If he had been born earlier in England, he could have been Robin Hood... But he was born in the US in 1952, stood up for his people and against Jewish power, and so he is a white supremacist, racist, and neo-Nazi. In the future, I believe Bob will achieve the status of a folk legend.

Again, you are right. Robin Hood, however, is an heroic fictional caracter. Bob was a real life man of his race whose deeds against a tyrannical System, though abortive, were the morally right thing to do at the time, in his mind.

My organization, the National Alliance, has entirely debunked  our Jewish enemies' negative portrayal of Robert Mathews and his band of real-life merry warriors in this movie and elsewhere. I will link to some of NA's truths in subsequent comments under your review while comments are open. For now, here are NA founder William Pierce's words about his friend Bob from 1993 in "William Pierce on Robert Mathews" at nationalvanguard.org (The text of Bob's "Call to Arms" speech, delivered to those gathered at a real NA gathering in 1983 is here, plus these few extractedwords by Pierce about Bob's speech:

...Bob’s talk was well received by the Alliance members. People like to hear a call to action even if they personally have no intention of doing anything except cheering from the sidelines. My own reaction at the time was somewhat cooler. And I tried tactfully to point out to Bob, after his speech, that his experiences in the Pacific Northwest might have given him a more optimistic view of the situation in America than that was justified by the facts. I told him that the people he had talked with during the summer weren’t really a cross-section of the American public, and that White people generally weren’t yet in a revolutionary mood.

In view of subsequent events, perhaps I shouldn’t have tried to be tactful but instead should have stressed the need to maintain a realistic view of our situation and not yield to the urge for premature action. I expressed my regrets in this regard to his widow a few months after his death. She told me that wouldn’t have made any difference. Bob had already decided before he gave his speech what he would do, she said. And there was no holding him back. He was fed up with the slow work of recruiting which was really much more discouraging work during the 1980s than it is now. And he had made up his mind to take up the gun against the enemy, regardless of the consequences. He had already told her what he intended to do would almost certainly cost him his life.

When most people think about the consequences of Bob’s decision, they think only about the negative things. About the facts that he was killed, and that a dozen good people were sent to prison. Some of our less radical brethren bemoan the fact that Bob, by using violence against the enemy, provoked repressive measures which made their own work more difficult. Bob succeeded in killing only one Jew, they add. And that Jew — an especially abrasive and obnoxious radio talk show host named Alan Berg who was machine-gunned in Denver in 1984 — would better have been left alive so that he could continue stirring up anti Jewish feeling among his listeners. Furthermore the violence gave the patriotic movement a black eye, they complain. And it scared away many potential supporters, who want nothing to do with violence or illegality.

There is, of course, some truth in these complaints. Many timid people were scared away from the patriotic movement by Bob’s activity and the enormous publicity it generated in the controlled media. Perhaps these people’s financial support would have been helpful. Perhaps it would have been better not to put the enemy on guard by attacking prematurely.

There is, however, a value in what Bob did which goes far beyond such petty consequences. In every revolution, in every great movement for human renewal, symbols are every bit as important as guns and money and manpower. Bob gave us a very important symbol. In the day-to-day work of writing and publishing and advertising and recruiting and organizing, we tend to forget the reality of our situation. We tend to believe that we are in some sort of political or ideological contest where you deal with your opponents the way the democrats and republicans deal with each other. We go about our work in a civilized way and lead more or less normal lives. At the extreme, we occasionally swap insults in public with our enemies. They call us “haters” and we call them un-American or anti-White or sick.

The fact is, however, that we are engaged in a fight for racial survival. It is a fight in which either our race or the Jews will be exterminated utterly. And it is a fight which we are losing. We’ve been losing it for the past 50 years. In every daily newspaper, in every radio or television news broadcast, we’re hit in the face with the fact that we are losing. Our noses are rubbed in it every day.

We read the statistics about the flood of non-Whites coming across our borders, both legally and illegally. And at the same time we listen to the controlled media and the churches uttering shrill accusations of “racism” against anyone that dares suggest that we already have too much wretched human refuse on our shores, while our government wrings its hands and claims that it is powerless to stem even the illegal portion of the flood. We see the growing hordes of this refuse on the streets of our cities. We know what it is doing to our schools and to the lives of our children. We see a rising tide of degeneracy, of crime, of racial mixing, of drug usage year after year. We see ourselves being dispossessed in our land — with our enemies gloating over each new victory in their growing campaign to disarm us and to silence us while the dispossession continues.

Bob Mathews saw all of these things, too. And then he stood up and said “I’m not going to take this anymore. It’s not enough for us to say that we believe in a White America, we also must fight for it. It’s time for us to begin killing the people who are killing our race.”

That sent a few faint hearts fluttering among these nominally on our side who stressed their obedience to the laws that our enemies imposed on us. It should have made them feel ashamed of themselves instead, because Bob was essentially right. He did what was morally right. He may have been a bit premature and he may have made many tactical errors. But he reminded us that we are not engaged in a debate between gentlemen — instead we are engaged in the most desperate war we have ever fought, a war for the survival of our race — and that ultimately we cannot win it except by killing our enemies. And we cannot kill our enemies without taking a chance on being killed ourselves. We needed that reminder. Bob elevated our struggle. He took us from name-calling to bloodletting. He cleared the air for us. In the long run that will be helpful. In the long run, that is what Bob will be remembered for.

Compare Pierce's wisdon with the words of anti-White Jew J.M. Berger whose textbook, Extremism, is required reading in many University Sociology courses. Here's Berger's 2016  piece about The Turner Diaries: How 'The Turner Diaries' Changed White nationalism - The Atlantic

How a self-published, racist novel changed white nationalism and inspired decades of violence
By J.M. Berger

Before there was an alt-right, there was The Turner Diaries.

First published nearly 40 years ago, the infamous dystopian novel depicts a fictional white nationalist revolution culminating in global genocide.

The events of the book open 25 years ago today—September 16, 1991, the date of the first entry in Earl Turner’s diary. The fictional diary describes a racist’s vision of a nightmare world, in which “The System”—African American enforcers led by Jewish politicians—attempt to confiscate all guns in the United States. A secretive organization known as The Order rises up to take back the country for white supremacists, eventually winning an apocalyptic insurgency and nuclear war, first taking over the country and later the world.

The Turner Diaries was created in the 1970s by William Luther Pierce, leader of the neo-Nazi group the National Alliance. Crudely written and wildly racist, The Turner Diaries has helped inspire dozens of armed robberies and more than 200 murders in the decades since its publication.

The Turner Diaries first made headlines when a violent white nationalist gang appropriated the name of The Order, following the tactical blueprint for terrorism in the book. Turner catapulted to national prominence when it was revealed to be a key inspiration for Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people using a truck bomb strikingly similar to one described in detail in the book....

Scary hyperbolic nonsense from this Jew.

I recommend the book The Silent Brotherhood that The Order movie allegedly is based on to compare with the movie. It's a fairly objective account of how "Robbie, the All-American Boy" transitioned from joining the John Birch Society as a young teen to his reading Alliance member William G. Simpson's Which Way Western Man?  to eventually become organizer and leader of the Order.

[Dillon_C_Rau]

A recent post I made under " Calexit Anyone? " by Spencer J. Quinn

I have lived in California my entire life, and have just finished packing for a relocation across the country. Countless other friends and family have elected to join with me. 

I describe California as a successful experiment. The system experimented with what would happen if Communism, unregulated non White immigration, corrupt politicians, public drag queen events, etc. were allowed to run free and control a state. The system is planning and actively working on our extinction and they just confirmed that the " California Model" works. It is a waste of precious time to attempt and fix California and other states like it. No truly Pro-White community can have success in California as countless laws, and importantly the culture is geared against Whites. 

Racial Separation is the key to our victory, California is not conducive to this goal. The beautiful hills of Tennessee, where the National Alliance calls home is more than suited for White living space. The National Alliance is now building a real-world White community whose goal is not only explicitly White living space, governed by ourselves alone, but also a spiritual revolution that will make that community progressive — and eternal.

You can learn more about the Alliance's goals and consider joining here: NATALL.com