The Libertarian to Fascist/NS pipeline: Reasons?

[Stargazer]

There seems to be a phenomenon amongst many self described fascists, or national socialists or otherwise race conscious whites begin their political journey as libertarians and gradually transition into what they are today. So much a phenomenon that some liberal journalists have written articles on it, and liberals often treat libertarians with extreme suspicion.

Why does this happen? I’d like to think that it comes from young men who are disillusioned with the traditional left/right political framework and seek out an alternative view, which libertarianism seems to provide. Gradually, some realize that libertarianism is a fundamentally incoherent ideology. The hyper-individualistic nature of libertarianism makes it seem like it stands for everything and therefore stands for basically nothing at the same time. For example: one libertarian may support the LGBTQ+ madness whereas another opposes it. One supports abortion rights, and another is against it. How can anyone organize under the libertarian banner if they can’t even agree what they even stand for?

The only thing that libertarians seem to agree upon is their contempt for “tyrants” which usually means communists and Nazis, and their condemnation of pedophilia which mostly consists of one of their many power fantasies of throwing pedophiles into wood chippers feet first. I suspect, however the latter is just a majority view, and that there are a very small minority of self described libertarians that have their fingers deep in the business of producing child pornography and child sex trafficking.

I suspect many of these “reformed libertarians” were never truly libertarians at heart. They were likely nationalists who agreed with some of their rhetoric, but found themselves at odds with the “I want the gay couple down the street to be able to protect their marijuana plans with machine guns” crowd, and found an alternative that better suited their world view.

I’d like to hear from some of these “reformed libertarians” to see their view of what caused them to jump ship and join our ranks.

[Jim Mathias]

Libertarians appear to be highly individualistic, making them as hard to herd as cats. Divided, they do little to nothing as they cannot organize and work under a hierarchical system over any significant length of time even if they have some racial consciousness about them. As Kevin Strom put it, and I might be paraphrasing, "Alone we can't, but together we can" put together and operate a system of White racially-based governance.

[Stargazer]

Libertarians appear to be highly individualistic, making them as hard to herd as cats. Divided, they do little to nothing as they cannot organize and work under a hierarchical system over any significant length of time even if they have some racial consciousness about them. As Kevin Strom put it, and I might be paraphrasing, "Alone we can't, but together we can" put together and operate a system of White racially-based governance.

I’ve come to realize that libertarians ultimately are anarchists in a very neutered form. We speak lowly of the “talkers” amongst race conscious whites, but libertarians are nothing but talkers. All of their talk consists of their various, ridiculous (and admittedly amusing) power fantasies such as but not limited to “claymore roombas” or “dogs stuffed with Tannerite” or the famous “boogaloo” which seem to be a generic societal collapse scenario. Well owing to their individualistic nature I highly doubt they would survive for very long during their “boogaloo”.

I think some of those who become disillusioned with libertarianisms lack of direction or organization seek out something which offers that organization, and for some that turns out to be national socialism or some other flavor of fascism.

[Will Williams]

I think some of those who become disillusioned with libertarianisms lack of direction or organization seek out something which offers that organization, and for some that turns out to be national socialism or some other flavor of fascism.

Angelicus answered your questions fairly well, here: https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/07/li ... or-allies/

...What is libertarianism? The answer is a bit complex but let’s summarize its principles. Basically it is an exacerbated form of liberalism, hence its opposition to a strong state, regardless of that state’s ideology — a serious mistake. Secondly, as a by-product of its relationship to liberalism, it denies the importance of of race — a fatal flaw.

To give an example let’s say that a National Socialist and a libertarian are like two doctors who have both agreed on the seriousness of the symptoms that the patient presents, but who disagree on the causes of the disease and therefore also disagree on its treatment. The former, of course, is right — but the latter, because of his ignorance or his reluctance to admit it, is wrong. Therefore an effective joint action is not possible.

If we transplant this example to the field of politics, the analogy is even more evident. The libertarian, as a consequence of his refusal to understand the vital importance of the concept of race or because of his fear of the inevitable repercussions, is unable to: A) identify the enemy (the Jew) or B) take proper action against the enemy.

Of course, there is another possibility, a remote one but not impossible: that the libertarian, by keeping an open mind and educating himself, becomes a National Socialist. Something similar happened in many cases in the past, especially in Italy and Germany in the 1930s where many Communists realized they had been deceived by their leaders and joined the Fascist and National Socialist movements.

Libertarians are not necessarily our enemies; neither are they necessarily our allies. I consider them valuable individuals, though, because, unlike the vast majority of imbeciles that believe the lies of the media, who do not question anything and who do not care about anything but their material well-being, the lemmings as Dr. Pierce called them, libertarians, in principle, reject and dislike the JWO — they don’t know why exactly but there is at least a reaction in them, and many of them do care about the future of our society. I know they don’t do it for the right reasons; they ignore the racial angle and the awful role played by the Jews. But, as I said, they are not happy with the way things are. It is up to us to wake them up by relentlessly showing them how our race-based solutions and our recognition of the Jews and their allies as the primary adversary represent the only rational path out of our ongoing enslavement....

Most of us who grew up in a relatively White world, as in the segregated South, though racially aware, were not moved to racial action like with the Klan or other marginalized groups. "Live and let live" was our lifestyle, which is libertarian. We weren't Jew conscious like we are today. Dr. Pierce said he would describe himself as libertarian until adulthood. His focus was on science and mathematics, not until he was into his 30s and paid attention to what was going on around him and to his country. What did he do? He evolved toward National Socialism, seeking out and working with GLR

[Will Williams]

I think some of those who become disillusioned with libertarianisms lack of direction or organization seek out something which offers that organization, and for some that turns out to be national socialism or some other flavor of fascism.

Angelicus answered your questions fairly well, here: https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/07/li ... or-allies/

...What is libertarianism? The answer is a bit complex but let’s summarize its principles. Basically it is an exacerbated form of liberalism, hence its opposition to a strong state, regardless of that state’s ideology — a serious mistake. Secondly, as a by-product of its relationship to liberalism, it denies the importance of of race — a fatal flaw.

To give an example let’s say that a National Socialist and a libertarian are like two doctors who have both agreed on the seriousness of the symptoms that the patient presents, but who disagree on the causes of the disease and therefore also disagree on its treatment. The former, of course, is right — but the latter, because of his ignorance or his reluctance to admit it, is wrong. Therefore an effective joint action is not possible.

If we transplant this example to the field of politics, the analogy is even more evident. The libertarian, as a consequence of his refusal to understand the vital importance of the concept of race or because of his fear of the inevitable repercussions, is unable to: A) identify the enemy (the Jew) or B) take proper action against the enemy.

Of course, there is another possibility, a remote one but not impossible: that the libertarian, by keeping an open mind and educating himself, becomes a National Socialist. Something similar happened in many cases in the past, especially in Italy and Germany in the 1930s where many Communists realized they had been deceived by their leaders and joined the Fascist and National Socialist movements.

Libertarians are not necessarily our enemies; neither are they necessarily our allies. I consider them valuable individuals, though, because, unlike the vast majority of imbeciles that believe the lies of the media, who do not question anything and who do not care about anything but their material well-being, the lemmings as Dr. Pierce called them, libertarians, in principle, reject and dislike the JWO — they don’t know why exactly but there is at least a reaction in them, and many of them do care about the future of our society. I know they don’t do it for the right reasons; they ignore the racial angle and the awful role played by the Jews. But, as I said, they are not happy with the way things are. It is up to us to wake them up by relentlessly showing them how our race-based solutions and our recognition of the Jews and their allies as the primary adversary represent the only rational path out of our ongoing enslavement....

Most of us who grew up in a relatively White world, as in the segregated South, though racially aware, were not moved to racial action like with the Klan or other marginalized groups. "Live and let live" was our lifestyle, which is libertarian. We weren't Jew conscious like we are today. Dr. Pierce said he would describe himself as libertarian until adulthood. His focus was on science, mathematics, and his academic career -- and not much on race until he was into his 30s and started paying attention to what was going on around him and to his country. What did he do?

He did something about it; he became racially responsible. He naturally evolved toward National Socialism, seeking out and working with GLR.