The Problem of White Suicide

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The Problem of White Suicide

Post by californiasurviving » Fri May 20, 2022 2:50 pm

Hi folks - I wanted to share this article as a potential first stepping stone to give to our fellow Whites who are in a confused, depressed, suicidal or fully 'lemming' state. The White People Press is a more 'soft' publication that may not go into the full picture (such as the Jewish problem) that us fully awakened Whites understand, but is useful nonetheless to people you might know; this could be your friends, family, wife, girlfriend or whatnot who is not ready to to understand the full truth of our struggle.

The article: https://www.whitepeoplepress.com/the-pr ... e-suicide/

Perhaps this will relate to many confused Whites, being they most likely know someone in a deeply troubling state. I know I have sadly...

Hope this can help.

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Re: The Problem of White Suicide

Post by Thomas S NJ » Fri May 20, 2022 3:25 pm

I’ve given the concept of funneling via “soft” approach publications as you describe a lot of thought. After all, I came to the Alliance via a repeatable approach from Libertarianism to Hoppe to a sort of AltRight and eventually after actually reading Mein Kampf (instead of trusting what others told me it was about) and becoming a National Socialist. It wasn’t long after that I was pointed to the National Vanguard and after a couple of years of following that publication I finally joined the Alliance.
Along the way I was instructed by a variety of publications including The Daily Stormer, Occidental Observer, Radical Capitalist, and AmRen. My first exposure to the idea of political alignment according to natural ethics came from Reason Magazine online. One thing that struck me along the way is that whenever I shared what I was finding on social media, I was always countered by arguments attacking the source–not the arguments! This struck me as entirely illogical and only strengthened my resolve to give attention to “bad” publications.
That last attribute may be important to resisting the social pressures new recruits fear facing, but that’s another story.
I do want to offer a counter to relying on the utility of “softer” sources funneling new folk our way: you also risk creating the gate keeping effect. Folk may find themselves with a “this is far enough down the rabbit hole” mindset and since such publications and their attendant communities don’t explicitly call out the enemy they are vulnerable to infiltration –such as by Ron Unz types– who will find it in their own best interests to make sure the rabbit hole stops there for most of their readers.
Still, I am not necessarily naysaying such an idea. I really am still struggling with how or even if to apply my own experience as a model for recruiting or at least teaching other Aryans. I really have no idea and welcome such discussions.
I can say that what helped me flip my family members was not directing them to “soft” publications but rather directing them to things like the editorial sections of Haaretz, the Forward or the JTA. I had heard it said that “the Nazi’s best propaganda is the Jews in their own words” and applied it. Then it was as simple as linking NV articles: “okay, now do you see why we “Nazi” “haters” say this?”

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Re: The Problem of White Suicide

Post by RCavallius » Fri May 20, 2022 4:44 pm

Thomas, everything you wrote is amazing. I totally agree with your positions on these things.

So, everything in life is a trade-off, right? Directing people to softer sources of information can be good in some ways, and in certain situations, and then bad in others. It depends a lot on the individual, of course. That which appeals to one person may not necessarily appeal to another. In my educational efforts, I've used all kinds of different starting points and/or platforms. I think for people of quality, such as the ones we really want to bring into the Alliance, the softer publications can be good as long as we just tell them that we personally don't agree with x, y, or z in it. If they're bright enough, they'll understand that we are discriminating - not everything in a given book or article is going to be correct every time.

I happen to be a big fan of Duke's "My Awakening." I just think it is an excellent educational and recruiting tool. However, I don't agree with everything in it, so when I share it with people, I just tell them that overall it is a really good book and I believe Duke had it right on almost everything, but that there a few things I disagree with him on. It really should be obvious to any White person with half a brain that we have to read critically.

So, yes, the softer stuff can be good, I think, but when we find individuals who are ready for the unadulterated material, we've got to make sure we have plenty of it on hand, so we can share it with them!
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Re: The Problem of White Suicide

Post by californiasurviving » Sat May 21, 2022 1:06 am

Thomas S NJ wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 3:25 pm
I’ve given the concept of funneling via “soft” approach publications as you describe a lot of thought. After all, I came to the Alliance via a repeatable approach from Libertarianism to Hoppe to a sort of AltRight and eventually after actually reading Mein Kampf (instead of trusting what others told me it was about) and becoming a National Socialist. It wasn’t long after that I was pointed to the National Vanguard and after a couple of years of following that publication I finally joined the Alliance.
Along the way I was instructed by a variety of publications including The Daily Stormer, Occidental Observer, Radical Capitalist, and AmRen. My first exposure to the idea of political alignment according to natural ethics came from Reason Magazine online. One thing that struck me along the way is that whenever I shared what I was finding on social media, I was always countered by arguments attacking the source–not the arguments! This struck me as entirely illogical and only strengthened my resolve to give attention to “bad” publications.
That last attribute may be important to resisting the social pressures new recruits fear facing, but that’s another story.
I do want to offer a counter to relying on the utility of “softer” sources funneling new folk our way: you also risk creating the gate keeping effect. Folk may find themselves with a “this is far enough down the rabbit hole” mindset and since such publications and their attendant communities don’t explicitly call out the enemy they are vulnerable to infiltration –such as by Ron Unz types– who will find it in their own best interests to make sure the rabbit hole stops there for most of their readers.
Still, I am not necessarily naysaying such an idea. I really am still struggling with how or even if to apply my own experience as a model for recruiting or at least teaching other Aryans. I really have no idea and welcome such discussions.
I can say that what helped me flip my family members was not directing them to “soft” publications but rather directing them to things like the editorial sections of Haaretz, the Forward or the JTA. I had heard it said that “the Nazi’s best propaganda is the Jews in their own words” and applied it. Then it was as simple as linking NV articles: “okay, now do you see why we “Nazi” “haters” say this?”
Absolutely well said; I’d preferably go with straight to the raw truth that the National Alliance does uncompromisingly, but I also believe for some this ‘soft’ awakening is a seed that grows until it gets to the point where we currently stand. Many soft souls, especially women, need a gentle ‘push’ to awaken themselves; I also feel if they (the guided) were to be awaken and remain ‘stuck’ in the half-truths, then perhaps they are most likely not to be the ones best suited for the White/Aryan revival and the NA’s mission (maybe a minor role).

Your story is very similar to mine, getting from somewhat red-pilled conservative content to AmRen and eventually NV.

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Re: The Problem of White Suicide

Post by Will Williams » Tue May 24, 2022 12:00 pm

Thomas S NJ wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 3:25 pm
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I do want to offer a counter to relying on the utility of “softer” sources funneling new folk our way: you also risk creating the gate keeping effect. Folk may find themselves with a “this is far enough down the rabbit hole” mindset and since such publications and their attendant communities don’t explicitly call out the enemy they are vulnerable to infiltration –such as by Ron Unz types– who will find it in their own best interests to make sure the rabbit hole stops there for most of their readers.
It's irksome to me to see a racial Jew like Ron Unz, who, unlike the National Alliance, obviously has big bucks behind him to have the site he has, attracting away many Whites who should be following and joining NA rather than being stuck in his GD "rabbit hole." The JQ is discussed on his Unz Review site which shows even a racial Jew can say what we say, but are those who follow him provided with any ANSWERS to the JEWISH QUESTION? I don't see how when they are looking for answers from a Jew.

A couple of NV articles about Unz and "softer" pro-White sources:

https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/07/ar ... mpromised/
https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/12/ro ... -defector/
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Re: The Problem of White Suicide

Post by Jim Mathias » Tue May 24, 2022 3:20 pm

Will Williams wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 12:00 pm

It's irksome to me to see a racial Jew like Ron Unz, who, unlike the National Alliance, obviously has big bucks behind him to have the site he has, attracting away many Whites who should be following and joining NA rather than being stuck in his GD "rabbit hole." The JQ is discussed on his Unz Review site which shows even a racial Jew can say what we say, but are those who follow him provided with any ANSWERS to the JEWISH QUESTION? I don't see how when they are looking for answers from a Jew.
That a Jew offers no useful solutions to our Jewish problem while the National Alliance does is a good thing: sensitive and motivated Whites, the kind we want to work with us, won't be so inclined to pay this Jew any particular attention once they learn of us. It is our duty, each of us, to participate in outreach in some way. Whether it's thoughtful posting on WB/NV, passing out fliers, creating or spreading knowledge of our bitchute channel, or even showing a friend or two the Power of Truth CD's one has is important. It takes time and more members to do so, but eventually we'll gather the momentum we want with persistence and patience.
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