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November 9th in Germany aka "the day of fate"

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November 9th in Germany aka "the day of fate"

PostSat Nov 09, 2019 7:12 pm

It was 30 years ago today in Berlin that Ronny Reagan said "Take down this wall!" But the reunification of Germany that ensued was such a scary idea to the "Never Again" Jews and their collaborators, that they decided to celebrate this anniversary, this Day of German Unity, on October 3rd instead of November 9th.

I heard a TV script reader say it's because some Germans with long memories might celebrate Kristallnacht, (the Night of Broken Glass), that also happened on 9 November, 1938. What this script reader didn't mention was that 9 November was also the date of Hitler's 'beer hall' putsch in 1923. More than a few unified Germans just might celebrate that on 9 November date, too. :lol:

Other 11/9 fateful dates of interest to Germans: https://www.france24.com/en/20181109-no ... an-history
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Re: November 9th in Germany aka "the day of fate"

PostMon Nov 11, 2019 11:38 am

A link found in a comment at nationalvanguard.org: https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2 ... reich-911/

This excerpt gives some insight into Kristallnact and the significance of 9 November to the German people.

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MUNICH ON THE NINTH OF NOVEMBER

WHILE ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING ACROSS THE REICH, A SPECIAL ANNUAL COMMEMORATION WAS BEING HELD IN MUNICH. FIFTEEN YEARS EARLIER, ON 9 NOVEMBER 1923, A MOVEMENT LED BY ADOLF HITLER, ERICH VON LUDENDORFF (A LEADING FIRST WORLD WAR GENERAL), AND TWO MAJOR FIGURES IN THE BAVARIAN GOVERNMENT TRIED TO DEPOSE THE LEGAL GOVERNMENT AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THEMSELVES AS A NEW NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. THE UPRISING OR PUTSCH WAS PUT DOWN AND 16 REBELS WERE SHOT DOWN NEXT TO THE FELDHERRNHALLE, A FAMOUS OLD MONUMENT BUILDING IN CENTRAL MUNICH. ACCORDINGLY, THE 9TH OF NOVEMBER HAD BEEN COMMEMORATED EVERY YEAR SINCE 1933 AS THE MEMORIAL DAY FOR THE MARTYRED HEROES OF THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT. ADOLF HITLER AND THE PARTY VETERANS, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE GAULEITERS (REGIONAL PARTY LEADERS) MET EVERY YEAR IN MUNICH FOR THE OCCASION. HITLER WOULD USUALLY DELIVER A SPEECH TO A SELECT AUDIENCE OF PARTY VETERANS AT THE FAMOUS BUERGERBRAEUKELLER RESTAURANT ON THE EVENING OF THE 8TH. ON THE MORNING OF THE 9TH HITLER AND HIS VETERAN COMRADES WOULD REENACT THE 1923 “MARCH TO THE FELDHERRNHALLE.” ON THE EVENING OF THE 9TH THE FÜHRER ALWAYS HELD AN INFORMAL DINNER AT THE OLD TOWN HALL (“ALTE RATHAUS”) WITH OLD COMRADES AS WELL AS ALL THE GAULEITERS. AT MIDNIGHT YOUNG MEN WHO WERE ABOUT TO ENTER THE SS AND THE SA WERE SWORN IN AT THE FELDHERRNHALLE. ALL OF THE GAULEITERS AND OTHER GUESTS PARTICIPATED IN THIS VERY SOLEMN CEREMONY. AFTER IT WAS OVER THEY LEFT MUNICH AND RETURNED TO THEIR HOMES THROUGHOUT THE REICH.

IT IS CLEAR THAT THE 8TH OF NOVEMBER DATE WAS CHOSEN VERY CLEVERLY. THE ANNUAL COMMEMORATION CEREMONY OF THAT DAY INSURED THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE GAULEITERS WOULD BE AWAY FROM THEIR HOME OFFICES WHEN THE ANTI-JEWISH DEMONSTRATIONS BEGAN. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ACTUAL DECISION-MAKING RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WERE NORMALLY CARRIED OUT BY THE GAULEITERS WERE TEMPORARILY IN THE HANDS OF LOWER-RANKING INDIVIDUALS WITH LESS EXPERIENCE. BETWEEN 8 AND 10 NOVEMBER, SUBORDINATE OFFICIALS STOOD IN FOR THE GAULEITERS WHO WERE EITHER IN MUNICH OR EN ROUTE TO OR FROM THE ANNUAL COMMEMORATION THERE. THIS TEMPORARY TRANSFER OF DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTED TO MUCH OF THE SUBSEQUENT CONFUSION AND THUS HELPED THE PROVOCATEURS. ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THE FACT THAT NO ONE EXPECTED ANY TROUBLE. AT THAT TIME GERMANY WAS ONE OF THE MOST PEACEFUL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. THERE WAS NO REASON TO EXPECT ANY KIND OF UNREST. IT WAS ONLY DURING DINNER AT THE OLD TOWN HALL THAT THE FIRST SPORADIC REPORTS OF RIOT AND DESTRUCTION REACHED MUNICH FROM SOME OF THE GAULEITER’S HOME OFFICES. AT THE SAME TIME IT WAS LEARNED THAT ERNST VNM RATH HAD DIED IN PARIS FROM HIS WOUNDS.

WHAT WAS GOEBBELS DOING?

AFTER THE DINNER WAS OVER, THE FÜHRER LEFT AT ABOUT G P.M. AND RETURNED TO HIS APARTMENT. DR. GOEBBELS THEN STOOD UP AND SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE LATEST NEWS. HE INFORMED THE AUDIENCE THAT VOM RATH HAD DIED AND THAT, AS A RESULT, ANTI-JEWISH DEMONSTRATIONS HAD SPONTANEOUSLY BROKEN OUT IN TWO OR THREE PLACES. GOEBBELS WAS RENOWNED FOR HIS PASSIONATE AND INSPIRING SPEECHES. BUT WHAT HE GAVE THAT EVENING WAS NOT A SPEECH AT ALL BUT ONLY A SHORT AND VERY INFORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT. HE POINTED OUT THAT THE TIMES WERE OVER WHEN JEWS COULD KILL GERMANS WITHOUT BEING PUNISHED. LEGAL MEASURES WOULD NOW BE TAKEN. NEVERTHELESS, THE DEATH OF VOM RATH SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCUSE FOR PRIVATE ACTIONS AGAINST JEWS. HE SUGGESTED THAT THE GAULEITERS AND THE HEAD OF THE SA, VIKTOR LUTZE, SHOULD CONTACT THEIR HOME OFFICES TO MAKE SURE THAT PEACE AND ORDER WERE BEING MAINTAINED. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT DR. GOEBBELS HAD NO AUTHORITY TO GIVE ANY ORDERS TO THE OTHERS PRESENT.

AS FELLOW GAULEITERS THEY WERE COLLEAGUES OF EQUAL RANK. ANYWAY, WHAT HE SAID WAS APPARENTLY CONSIDERED SO REASONABLE THAT THE OTHERS AGREED AND DID WHAT HE SUGGESTED.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE WIDESPREAD ALLEGATION THAT GOEBBELS STARTED THE CRYSTAL NIGHT POGROM WITH A FIERY SPEECH ON THAT EVENING OF 9 NOVEMBER. THIS WIDELY ACCEPTED STORY IS FALSE. THE FOLLOWING FACTS WILL CLARIFY THIS POINT:

1. AS GAULEITER FOR BERLIN, DR. GOEBBELS HAD NO AUTHORITY OUTSIDE OF HIS BERLIN DISTRICT. ALTHOUGH HE WAS ALSO THE PROPAGANDA MINISTER OF THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT, THIS DID NOT GIVE HIM ANY AUTHORITY OVER PARTY OFFICIALS. FURTHERMORE, HE HAD NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER OVER THE SA OR THE SS.

2. OF ALL THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST LEADERS, DR. GOEBBELS WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE THE IMMENSE DAMAGE THAT AN ANTI-JEWISH POGROM WOULD CAUSE FOR GERMANY. ON THE MORNING OF 10 NOVEMBER, WHEN HE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE AND DESTRUCTION OF THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, HE WAS FURIOUS AND SHOCKED AT THE STUPIDITY OF THOSE WHO HAD PARTICIPATED. THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR THIS.

3. HOW COULD A SPEECH GIVEN AFTER 9 P.M. ON THE EVENING OF 9 NOVEMBER HAVE POSSIBLY INCITED A “POGROM” WHICH HAD ALREADY BEGUN THE DAY BEFORE WHEN THE FIRST PROVOCATEURS APPEARED AT MUNICIPAL AND PARTY OFFICES TO PERSUADE OFFICIALS TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE JEWS?

4. ALTHOUGH WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DR. GOEBBELS SAID IN HIS SUPPOSEDLY FIERY SPEECH, WE DO KNOW WHAT THE GAULEITERS AND THE SA COMMANDER DID AFTER THE SPEECH HAD ENDED: THEY WENT TO THE TELEPHONES AND CALLED THEIR ESPECTIVE HOME OFFICES TO ORDER THEIR SUBORDINATES TO DO EVERYTHING NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN PEACE AND ORDER. THEY EMPHASIZED THAT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES MUST ANYONE TAKE PART IN ANY DEMONSTRATIONS. THESE TELEPHONE INSTRUCTIONS WERE WRITTEN DOWN AT THE HOME OFFICES BY WHOEVER WAS ON DUTY. THE ORDERS FROM EACH GAULEITER WERE THEN PASSED ON BY TELEX TO OTHER OFFICES WITHIN THE GAU OR DISTRICT. THESE TELEX MESSAGES ARE STILL IN VARIOUS RECORDS FILES AND ARE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO EXAMINE THEM.

ORDERS TO STOP THE POGROM

WHILE THE GAULEITERS WERE CALLING THEIR HOME OFFICES, THE HEAD OF THE SA, VIKTOR LUTZE, ORDERED ALL OF HIS IMMEDIATE SUBORDINATES, THE SA GRUPPENFÜHRERS, WHO WERE TOGETHER WITH HIM IN MUNICH, TO CALL THEIR HOME OFFICES AS WELL. LUTZE ORDERED THAT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES COULD SA MEN TAKE PART IN ANY DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST JEWS, AND THAT FURTHERMORE THE SA WAS TO INTERVENE TO STOP ANY DEMONSTRATIONS ALREADY IN PROGRESS. AS A RESULT OF THESE STRICT ORDERS, SA MEN BEGAN TO GUARD JEWISH STORES THAT VERY NIGHT WHEREVER WINDOWS HAD BEEN BROKEN. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS ORDER BY LUTZE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POSTWAR COURT TESTIMONY OF SEVERAL WITNESSES CONFIRMING IT. THE SS AND THE POLICE WERE GIVEN SIMILAR ORDERS TO RESTORE PEACE AND ORDER. HIMMLER ORDERED REINHARD HEYDRICH TO PREVENT ALL DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY AND TO PROTECT JEWS AGAINST DEMONSTRATORS. THE TELEX COMMUNICATION OF THIS ORDER STILL EXISTS. IT IS IN THE FILES OF THE INTERNATIONAL MILITARY TRIBUNAL IN NUREMBERG. HOWEVER, DURING THE NUREMBERG TRIAL THIS TELEX ORDER WAS PRESENTED IN THREE DIFFERENT FORMS, WITH FORGED AMENDMENTS TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MEANING. IN MY BOOK FEUERZEICHEN I UNDERTOOK TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL TEXT.

ADOLF HITLER JOINED THE MIDNIGHT CELEBRATION AT THE FELDHERRNHALLE. IT WAS ONLY AFTER HE RETURNED TO HIS APARTMENT ABOUT ONE O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING THAT HE LEARNED ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATIONS WHICH HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE IN MUNICH, DURING WHICH ONE SYNAGOGUE HAD BEEN SET ON FIRE. HE WAS FURIOUS AND IMMEDIATELY ORDERED THE POLICE CHIEF OF MUNICH TO COME SEE HIM. HITLER TOLD HIM TO IMMEDIATELY STOP THE FIRE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT NO OTHER OUTRAGES TOOK PLACE IN MUNICH. HE THEN CALLED VARIOUS POLICE AND PARTY OFFICIALS THROUGHOUT THE REICH TO LEARN THE EXTENT OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS. FINALLY, HE ORDERED A TELEX MESSAGE SENT TO ALL GAULEITER OFFICES. IT READ: “BY EXPRESS ORDER FROM THE VERY HIGHEST AUTHORITY, ARSON AGAINST JEWISH BUSINESSES OR OTHER PROPERTY MUST IN NO CASE AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE PLACE.” SYNAGOGUES WERE NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, APPARENTLY BECAUSE HITLER WAS STILL UNAWARE OF THE BURNING OF SYNAGOGUES, APART FROM THE ONE IN MUNICH...

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