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Marine Corps Social Experiment Fails

Post by Will Williams » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:21 pm

Marines back off pull-up requirement for women after many fail
By Elizabeth Dilts

(Reuters) - After more than half of last year's female Marine recruits were unable to do at least three pull-ups, the Corps announced it will delay the new requirement for women to graduate boot camp.

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The Marine Corps announced in November that, starting on January 1, 2014, all women would need to perform three pull-ups as part of their physical fitness test - something male recruits are already required to do as a minimum. To collect data on potential success, female recruits in 2013 were given the option to do pull-ups during the test.

However, about 55 percent of female recruits in training at Parris Island, South Carolina, were unable to meet the challenge, said Col. Sean Gibson, a spokesman for the Marine Corps Combat Development Command.

The Marines have "no intent to introduce a standard that would negatively affect the current status of female Marines or their ability to continue serving in the Marine Corps," Gibson said in a statement.

Currently, women are required to do a flexed arm hang as a test of strength and endurance. But as the Corps begins to open a number of combat positions to women, officials are concerned that test will not prepare them adequately for military tasks, Gibson said.

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The Marines are not alone. The Army has also struggled with the physical fitness issues of its recruits.

Major General Allen Batschelet, head of U.S. Army Recruiting, told officials gathered in San Antonio on Saturday for the Army All-American Bowl football game, a major recruiting event, that three quarters of young people in the United States would not make it into the Army because of factors such as obesity or drug use.

"The latest statistics we have are that 77.5 percent of people between the ages of 17 and 24 are disqualified from service for one reason or another," said Batschelet.

He listed reasons for disqualification as physical, cognitive and moral, which can often mean drug use, but said a large number were turned down for failing to meet the Army's physical fitness standards.

"Somewhere between 35 and 40 percent of young Americans are disqualified physically," he said. "The trends indicate that here in the next 15 years or so, that number could climb as high as 50 percent."

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Re: Marine Corps Social Experiment Fails

Post by Phantom4 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:06 pm

Isn't equality grand. It goes further than this. Aside from all the "gender norming" standards in every service jobs outside of combat positions are suffering the same fate. Two examples of this are Aviation Mechanics & Supply Specialists.

Aviation Mechanics are required as part of their qualification standards to be able to pick up and carry unassisted a toolbox weighing between 50 - 75 pounds depending on the specific aircraft. This is not required for females because even those that can lift it must stop periodically to put it down and then start again.

For those in the Supply fields one of the MOS requirements is the ability to lift 100 lbs above their heads. The majority of females can't do this so the Army changes the requirement.

MP's used to be required to be 6'0" and male. Now the requirement is 5'10" for males and 5'8" for females. The reason in the past MP's were required to be big boys is they often had to go into Infantry barracks or bars full of combat soldiers and break up fights of make arrests. I wonder how well a squad of females that are 5'8" and maybe 150 lbs or less would do with that task. :roll:

Forget combat units and all the above. Women being in ANY unit with males presents a problem now that their are no "front lines" in combat. If a vehicle is hit and incapacitated and I am out cold (I weigh 200 lbs & have on 20+ lbs of gear, and the doors combat locks won't open, how many females can pick me up through the hatch in an M1114 or other vehicle and carry me to safety. :geek:

Absurd.... ;)

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Re: Marine Corps Social Experiment Fails

Post by Will Williams » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:01 pm

That's some good first hand experience with the giant, unisex social experiment gone bad, P4.

Here's a story I just caught about the growing problem of homelessness among veterans:
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From the Pentagon to life in a van

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Robert Freniere in the van where he lives. "He's done a lot of things. . . . He's got the gift of gab. Very smart," said Adm. James Hogg, who officiated at Freniere's retirement. (MICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer)

By Julie Zauzmer, Inquirer Staff Writer
January 06, 2014

After a 30-year military career in which he earned three graduate degrees, rose to the rank of colonel, and served as an aide to Pentagon brass, Robert Freniere can guess what people might say when they learn he's unemployed and lives out of his van:

Why doesn't this guy get a job as a janitor?

Freniere answers his own question: "Well, I've tried that."

Freniere, 59, says that his plea for help, to a janitor he once praised when the man was mopping the floors of his Washington office, went unfulfilled. So have dozens of job applications, he says, the ones he has filled out six hours a day, day after day, on public library computers.

So Freniere, a man who braved multiple combat zones and was hailed as "a leading light" by an admiral, is now fighting a new battle: homelessness.

"You stay calm. That's what we were trained for when I went through survival training," he said recently in King of Prussia, where he had parked his blue minivan, the one crammed with all his possessions and held together with duct tape.

As of January 2012, more than 60,000 veterans were homeless, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. Reducing that number has been a priority for the Obama administration - and the number of homeless veterans dropped 24 percent nationwide from 2009 to 2013. In Pennsylvania, however, it jumped 46 percent, to more than 1,400.

Joblessness among returning service members is even more common. Freniere describes a monthly lunch he has attended in Washington, a hushed tradition that he says attracts about 200 veterans. After they eat, the men and women who are unemployed stand up one by one to recite their service records, hoping someone else in the room will hire them.

Many, he says, are highly accomplished.

Like Freniere.

"He's done a lot of things; he's been a lot of places. . . . He's got the gift of gab. Very smart," said Adm. James Hogg, who officiated at Freniere's retirement ceremony in 2006.

Last month, Freniere teared up as he asked Hogg for advice on finding a paycheck. Hogg was stunned.

"That's crazy," Hogg said in an interview. "With all his experience, especially in intelligence, there's got to be a spot for him."

Spots are hard to come by. Freniere, like many of his fellow down-on-their-luck veterans, does not match any hat-in-hand Hollywood image of homelessness. He receives an annual pension from the military of more than $40,000.

His struggle to find a job after retiring from the Air Force collided with the end of his marriage nearly two years ago. Unable to return to the home he shared with his estranged wife, and faced with expenses including bills for two sons in college and debts that mounted when he maintained a nicer lifestyle, he took up a nomadic existence.

Between spells on the couches of friends in multiple states, he sleeps occasionally in motels and other times in the dented blue van.

On Veterans Day, he found himself in King of Prussia. He had paid for a motel room the night before, to be near his younger son, Eric, a student at Valley Forge Military Academy and College in Wayne.

But Freniere could not afford another night, so he was packing his belongings into his minivan.

A motel guest who noticed Freniere's Air Force cap and packed van struck up a conversation, and ended up paying for Freniere to stay another night.

That same week, Freniere agreed to share his story with an Inquirer reporter who had heard about his plight.

Over chips and salsa at a Baja Fresh in King of Prussia, he spent more than four hours engaged in a rambling conversation in which he quoted Dante, Andrew Jackson, and the novelist Leon Uris. He touched on his hobbies, from painting to playing guitar to learning new languages.

Freniere, who said he had been found to have dyslexia and attention deficit disorder, said he earned the nickname "Lightning" in the military for his constant motion and ability to talk anyone's ear off.

"Lightning" mentions the screenplay he wrote about astronauts going to the moon, and the beginning of a romance novel. He describes competing in sailing regattas with friends. He says he once tried to start a business with his wife and mother selling football-themed stuffed ducks.

Some of what he says is not easily or independently verifiable. But the bulk of his story - and one that is confirmed by military records - is a story of service.

A career dream
It's a story that goes back generations. In one of the many boxes in his van, Freniere holds on to letters written from France during World War I by a great-grandfather who, according to family lore, lied about his age so he could still fight at 60. Freniere's father served in World War II and Korea, then raised his family on Air Force bases all over the world.

Freniere was born in 1954, the third of five children. He says his oldest brother served in Vietnam; his sister is a retired Navy nurse; and two more brothers are retired colonels.

Freniere and his two younger brothers became Eagle Scouts together, then went together to the Citadel, he said. Military records confirm that he joined the Army in 1976. His first post was in Schweinfurt, West Germany, where troops were then on guard against a Soviet attack.

There, Freniere said, he was tapped to lead an investigation into drug trafficking by soldiers on the base.

"All I had ever wanted to do was be in the Army," Freniere said. "The Vietnam War had just ended, and the military really was very down on itself."

In the drug investigation, he found a sense of purpose. "I didn't know anything about drugs, because I'd never used them. I was a goody-two-shoes boy," he said. "I finally felt like I was really doing something for my country, because I was getting rid of these bad guys."

He said that his role in arresting members of his own platoon caused tension with his superiors. He left the Army for the Air Force, where he pursued his newfound interest in investigation as an intelligence officer.

As he moved through the ranks, he served in combat zones in Somalia, Panama, Haiti, and Kuwait, Freniere said. He also married his childhood neighbor, had two sons, and earned master's degrees in political science and criminal justice at the University of Cincinnati and a master's in national security and strategic studies from the Naval War College.

Records show that Freniere moved to the Pentagon in 2000. He said he was there when it was hit by terrorists Sept. 11, 2001.

Two years later, he became special assistant to Gen. Stanley McChrystal, then the vice director of operations of the Joint Staff.

In 2005, Freniere said, he volunteered to go to Iraq. "Everybody thought I was nuts, especially my sons," who were 15 and 13 at the time, he said. "But I'm a counterterrorism guy. That's what I do."

But as he was preparing to deploy, he said, he felt his legs go numb one day. He had suffered from back pain since he was injured in his 20s, when a soldier he was training to operate a tank fired the gun too soon.

Three days after the numbness began, Freniere underwent back surgery. Instead of flying to Iraq, he spent a year and a half convalescing, he said. In 2006, he retired from the Air Force.

The struggle for work
After his retirement, Freniere said, it took him a year to find work. Like many retired servicemen, he turned to jobs with defense contractors. Twice, the work took him to Afghanistan, he said.

When he came home, he had nowhere to go after separating from his second wife. (In an interview, she said that he does not help her pay the mortgage on their home.)

Freniere said he had not been able to find a contracting job since August 2012. He blames the federal sequestration for squeezing contractors of money and of the confidence to hire people. He has not lasted long at other jobs, as a substitute teacher and an executive in a company writing proposals for government grants.

One of his complaints about the latter job was that it took him too far from his sons - Bobby, enrolled at a community college in Virginia, and Eric, at VFMA.

Eric, 21, plans to follow in his father's military footsteps. "My dad's the most motivated person I've ever met in my whole life, and he's living out of his van," Eric said. "A full colonel with three master's degrees? I don't get it at all - it doesn't make sense to me. If he had a job right now, we'd be fine. We're not fine right now."

Freniere says dyslexia makes focusing on a computer screen difficult. Online applications are so hard for him, he said, that tears well in his eyes as he describes his days at public libraries.

"How many applications can you fill out in a day? And it takes you six or seven hours, and then you don't hear from any of them. You start getting hopeless," he said.

But Freniere said that he had not lost hope, that he returns to tropes he learned back in survival training - "stay calm," "get the job done" - when he needs comfort.

"I'm a military guy. I'm mission-oriented. You don't give up," Freniere says. "I've got a lot of good experience. I've got two beautiful sons. I've got a van. I don't know how long it's going to hold up, but I've got it. I've got a lot of things to be thankful for."

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