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[Will Williams]

What an excellent discussion of my favorite taboo subjects: race, religion and politics: https://counter-currents.com/2025/07/re ... scontents/ I edited two words here on the WB version to improve it but was unable to quickly edit the C-C version like I used to be able to do Oh, well, they were very minor edits, just two words.


Will Williams: uly 2, 2025

Dave Chambers: July 2, 2025 This is a fascinating subject. There is no doubt that the White race would benefit from a spirituality that promotes a healthy racial consciousness and positive eugenics… I am attracted to William Pierce’s cosmotheism. The idea that humans (and especially Whites) are the vehicle through which Creation comes to know itself, and that ultimately “our destiny is godhood” has an undeniable appeal. https://counter-currents.com/2011/01/our-cause/
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Thank you, Dave. I read to the end of Mr. Secor’s piece, expecting to see at least a slight mention of the two Americans racial leaders who founded new, non-Semitic religious belief systems for Aryans: Ben Klassen (Creativity) and William Pierce (Cosmotheism). It took until I saw your comment, mentioning Cosmotheism and linking to Piece’s nearly 50-year-old Our Cause, that I clicked on, though already very familiar with that classic. It was featured on C-C in January of 2011 by Greg when he deduced Pierce’s National Alliance (NA) had become “defunct,” which was an almost accurate deduction.

Almost, but not quite. Pierce’s ideas will never become defunct — not if I can help it. It’s in the comments under C-C’s 2011 republishing of Our Cause that are interesting to me.

Andrew Hamilton’s thoughtful comment (Number 8) is fascinating and worth reading by everyone. Ones by Chechar and Fourmyle of Ceres, who promoted the enemy of our cause, Harold Covington, are distracting and next to worthless for that reason. That’s because I knew well then what an enemy Covington was, while Greg and others were fascinated by his novels. Greg’s comment (under number 6) shows his respect for Pierce who he’d had the pleasure of meeting and sharing a long discussion.

One comment I’ll address is that of Josh (Number 3) more for his ignorance than for anything else:

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Josh: January 8, 2011 I’m very fond of this speech, as I am of much of Pierce’s early work. I can only say that I wish he’d emphasized in his later life the spiritual dimension of the Alliance’s mission. That — the most original and important part of Pierce’s vision — was overlooked in favor of (nevertheless still important and insightful) political commentary. He thought his gruff and blunt political commentary would win more support, and maybe it did. But I like to think that, if Pierce hadn’t died so young — and if he’d had competent help to lighten the Alliance load — he would have penned one of the great spiritual works of our age.

Like I said: ignorant! Josh describes Cosmotheism, Pierce’s lasting legacy, but has no idea why Pierce had de-emphasized that legacy after all of the negative attention he’d attracted by JOG, our Jewish watchdogs and their compliant Jewish-controlled media, after he had allegedly “inspired” many acts of terrorism (the Order and OKC bombing, for example — not to mention the Charlottesville and J6 debacles years after his death).

As for “if only he’d had competent help…” bullshit! Why did not Josh step into the breach and assist Pierce? Josh did not realize that a Cosmotheist spiritual thread ran through practically every “political” essay or American Dissident Voices broadcast Pierce composed during his “later life.” Don’t believe me? Listen to the 240 speeches of his that are preserved on 12 volumes in The Power of Truth CD series, available here: “The Power of Truth (Volumes 1 through 12)” at cosmotheistchurch.org.

Competent helpers Kevin Strom, Fred Streed, myself, and many others saved and have sufficiently resurrected Pierce’s National Alliance as well as his Cosmotheism legacy. Consider that we rebuilt Pierce’s bankrupt National Vanguard Books publishing arm as CosmotheistChurch.org online, where we have published, among other titles, the “bible”: preserving Pierce’s Cosmotheist writings and transcriptions of his Cosmotheist speeches, including Our Cause.

“Deep inside all of us, in our race-soul, there is a source of divine wisdom, of ages-old wisdom, of wisdom as old as the Universe. That is the wisdom, the truth, of Cosmotheism. It is a truth of which most of us have been largely unconscious all our lives, but which now we have the opportunity to understand clearly and precisely.”

Incidentally, I shipped a copy of the Cosmotheist bible to Dr. Johnson and he tells me he has assigned a PhD philosopher to review it for C-C. Hopefully, it will be a favorable review, but intelligent, open-minded racial loyalists — like you, Dave, and others at C-C — can purchase here to judge for yourselves: “Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future by William Pierce” at cosmotheistcurch.org.

[Will Williams]

A productive exchange by me and our WB member Douglas Mercer at Counter-Currents. I provide for Doug the C-C owner's excellent story of his memorable meeting with Dr. Pierce 13 years ago. https://counter-currents.com/2025/07/re ... scontents/
The readers of comments at C-C must tire of my constant promotion of Dr. Pierce, his teachings, NA, NV, ADV, and Cosmotheism, but they will be impressed by what their leader, Dr. Greg Johnson had to say about him, in his own words, around the time he launched Counter-Currents.


Will Williams: July 2, 2025

Douglas Mercer: July 2, 2025 Will:  I had not realized that Greg had met and spoken with WLP.   How fascinating that is, I would love to read an essay about his impressions and what was said, it would surely be one for the books.
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A simple search for 'William Pierce' here at C-C turns up a number of articles on Pierce, but this one gives you what you're looking for:  his story of meeting with WLP that is pretty much the same as what he related to me in person: Read that here: "Remembering William Pierce: September 11, 1933–July 23, 2002" at counter-currents.com

...On the weekend of July 14 and 15, 2001, Mike Polignano and I visited Pierce at the headquarters of the National Alliance in West Virginia. We spent several hours together on Saturday afternoon. I taped an interview with him about Savitri Devi. (Sadly, the tape was lost.)

I think Pierce enjoyed talking to a fellow Ph.D. and voracious reader. He took special pride in showing us around his vast and impressive library. One of his prize possessions was an autographed copy of Madison Grant’s Conquest of a Continent inscribed to Adolf Hitler...

Pierce was relaxed, friendly, talkative, and funny. When I said “negroes” he said, “‘Negroes’? Is that what they call them in Georgia these days?”

There were, however, occasional flashes of the author of The Turner Diaries. He suggested, for instance, that Mike pursue his biology studies in graduate school so he could develop race-specific biological warfare agents. (Of course the Israelis are doing just that, so I guess he thought why not develop a White Death?) I thought of it as his Bond villain persona, complete with lap cat.

Pierce was completely unpretentious. His office was much smaller than his secretary’s. When I asked him for photocopies of the excerpts from Savitri Devi’s Defiance and Gold in the Furnace that he had published in National Socialist World, he cheerfully agreed, got up, and made the copies himself.

He told me he would ask Suzanne to make one more search for his correspondence with Savitri and asked us to stop by the next morning before we left town. The letters, alas, had not turned up. So we took photos with Dr. Pierce (and his cat Hadley) and bid him good bye. He was an extraordinary person, and I hoped we would meet again. But a little more than a year later, he was dead.

It was only after Pierce’s death that I discovered another side of his personality: the philosopher and religious thinker. In Minneapolis, I was given the books and papers of a deceased professor who had been involved with the American Nazi Party and its offshoots beginning in the early 1960s. The trove included correspondence with Pierce (signed Heil Hitler!), a complete set of National Socialist World, Pierce’s pamphlets on cosmotheism, a pretty much complete set of National Vanguard magazine, and even sheet music for National Alliance songs. Around the same time, Kevin Alfred Strom began publishing other philosophical and spiritual works at the National Vanguard site.

I found that Pierce had a deep feel for philosophical and spiritual questions and a first rate speculative mind. The angry man persona is not present in these writings. Instead, his prose is restrained, Olympian, luminous, sometimes even poetic. I have reprinted some of my favorites among these essays here. If you only read one essay by William Pierce, let it be “Our Cause.” I will share my thoughts on cosmotheism in another essay.

During our conversation on July 14, 2001, Pierce told us something that I will always remember. He loved physics, and he said that giving up academia was the hardest thing he ever did, but in the end, nothing could compare with the freedom to spend the rest of his life speaking the truth.

[Will Williams]

Posting again from John Ubele's excellent updated topic at WB: https://counter-currents.com/2025/06/th ... his-to-us/


Will Williams: July 2, 2025 Again, things are not as they appear in Jew-controlled media. Believe this, or not
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Israel Suffered Extensive Damage
by Larry C Johnson
Jun 26, 2025

Despite the arduous efforts of Israeli censors to hide the devastation Iran inflicted on Israel with its barrage of ballistic missiles during the 12-Day War, information is emerging that destroys the myth that Israel had an impregnable air defense. The map at the head of this article reveals the sites targeted by Iran. Based on the videos of strikes in Haifa and Tel Aviv, I think this map accurately portrays the massive scale of the Iranian attack. For the first time in its history, Israel took a major beating.

According to various Israeli media reports, damage spanned residential buildings, scientific infrastructure (e.g., labs at the Weizmann Institute in Rehovot), the Israeli Defense Ministry complex, and commercial hubs like the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. Iran also struck a military target near the Soroka Medical Center in Be’er Sheva. The medical center was hit by the blast wave, which caused extensive structural damage, a chemical leak, and dozens of injuries…

Iran also struck the following residential areas, reportedly targeting Israeli military and intelligence officials:

Bat Yam: 9 killed, ~200 wounded; high-rise apartments destroyed.
Ramat Gan: Nine buildings destroyed, hundreds displaced.
Haifa and Tel Aviv: Strikes near military HQs (“Kirya”) and civilian neighborhoods.

Iran also caused extensive damage to the Port of Haifa and the Port of Ashdod (note, I had no information on the latter when I posted yesterday), as well as the refineries at Haifa and Ashdod. Israel has maintained a complete blackout on the damage to its military and intelligence facilities, but the sites identified on the map above indicate that Iran likely enjoyed similar success as that observed in Haifa and Tel Aviv.

See the map of these successful Iranian bombings of Israel, here: Israel Suffered Extensive Damage – by Larry C Johnson

[Will Williams]

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Will Williams: July 3, 2025

Kim: July 2, 2025 Oops, I noticed a typo that I can’t edit.  I meant to say that while I prefer Creativity to Cosmotheism, I can’t fathom a raw foods diet lifestyle.
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I feel for you, Kim. I often see where a slight edit would improve what I wrote soon after submitting a comment and seeing  it -- and used to be able to make a quick edit, a misspelling, a needed space or substituting a better word. But no more. For some reason I've lost that ability to make a quick edit. So be it.

Klassen recommended a diet of fruits and vegetables, yes, but it's not that unusual, He didn't practice it himself, but recommended it as part of his his mantra: "a sound mind in a sound body in a sound society"

It’s also really bad for morale for a church leader to die by suicide, <— IF that is, in fact, how Ben Klassen died...
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Yes, it's true, but Ben died with dignity, not a "coward's way out," as some would say. His lovely wife of 40-plus years, Henrietta (Henry), had recently died, so, at 73 he was lonely, his health was failing, on vatious medications, and had uncharacteristically even begun to drink alcohol. He had tried unsuccessfully to name a successor to head the Church he had founded 50 years previously (1972), and when he finally managed to name one, the inept fellow closed the Church and failed to defend a convoluted vicarious liability lawsuit against the Church of the Creator (COTC) brought by the sleazy barrator Morris Dees and his so-called Southern Poverty Law Center, leading to more depression.

Ben had already divested the million-dollar Church property to William Pierce (which I arranged, having previously been BK's XO and was WLP's XO at the time -- no brag, just fact). BKs affairs were in order, except for the $million-dollar default judgment SPLC was awarded against the COTC after he'd already stepped down as the leader (Pontifex Maximus) of the Church. That judgment was transferred to Pierce by Dees who had to defend in a surreal scheme to destroy both the COTC and NA, using his patented vicarious liability bullshit that he and his "law center" had already used to destroy other pro-White groups. Long story -- see "William Pierce on Lawyers and the SPLC" at nationalvanguard.org.

Ben was an honorable man and had lived a full life, wrote ten books and founded a racial religion for his people -- a great man, when the truth be known. He had been attacked forr years by JOG, our Jewish wtchdogs, Jewish media, and mercilessly by the SOB, Harold Covington, who spread the most malicious rumors that he was a homosexual Jew who raped and murdered skinhead boys, among other outrageous lies. That's the reason I hated to see Covington promoted on sites like this, TOO, and other pro-White places, mainly for his telling the truth about Christianity being Jewish hogwash.

Now you know more of the story, but there's more, much more, like from my old friend Gordon Ipock who knew Klassen and who introduced me to Pierce in West Virginia on the 4th of July weekend  in 1991:

Setting the Record Straight: Gordon Ipock's Reminiscence of Harold Covington

Gordon Ipock posted this on VNN Forum on 3 February 2005 under the username EdbergEdberg. 

Harold is bad news, to be shunned...

I first met Harold Covington back in about 1987, after he had returned to North Carolina from Ireland. His purpose was to pick up the pieces of Glenn Miller's White Patriot Party. He always saw Glenn as an enlisted man and himself as officer material, and he genuinely disliked Glenn because Glenn had succeeded brilliantly in the White Movment where he had failed repeatedly. He was motivated by pure jealousy.


It didn't take me long to see that Harold's attempt at forming a neo-Confederate Nazi group was highly suspect. He had a way of wording his agenda so that followers were admitted enemies of the government... open rebels, much like the original Confederates were. It was bold stuff, but stupid as hell, unless his purpose was to set people up. I pointed this out to the followers he had attracted, and they quickly began to see what Harold was doing. You've got to understand, these guys and myself had just seen the Feds and Jews trash the WPP, which was a legal organization. Harold was building something illegal from the get-go.


In the years since I have seen Harold repeatedly attack anyone who was doing good things for our race. He spent several years attacking Ben Klassen when his COTC was white hot in the early 90s. Then during the mid-90s when the National Alliance began to make impressive strides he aimed his venom at Dr. Pierce. And the common element in both these groups was Will Williams. Will played a major role in the growth and success of both the COTC and the NA during the 90s. And for this hard work and success, Will also drew the venom of Harold Covington.


I've watched Harold at work on internet usenet groups and stuff since the mid-90s when he first became internet savvy. One thing always struck me: Harold always aimed his crticisms and lies at whomever was doing the most for our movement and race at any particular time. The only conclusion that I could reach was that Harold was working for the other side.


Harold is a very intelligent guy, and a talented writer. Perhaps he started out as a genuine pro-white activist... or perhaps he was working for the enemy from day one. I don't know where the truth is in this. But after watching him closely for several years, I could only conclude that if he wasn't on the payroll of the ADL or SPLC or the FBI, he damned sure should have been. Again, he spent most of the 1990s harshly criticizing Dr. William Pierce and the NA. And at the time, Pierce was like God and the NA was like his saints. I also had the pleasure of meeting Ben Klassen personally and he struck me as a man of high intelligence and good breeding, cultured and courteous, a real gentleman. This was while Covington was calling him "Benny Buttf-ck"....