The Straight Dope on Homosexuality

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John Flynn

The Straight Dope on Homosexuality

Post by John Flynn » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:50 am

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To consider homosexuality abnormal is now considered outmoded
....maybe even perverted!



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Is homosexuality a perversion? If not, is it entirely normal? Almost normal?

These days, the very idea of perversion is out of fashion. The Washington Post would probably use the word only to describe an intense desire to balance the budget or enforce immigration laws.

However, a practical, even scientific definition of sexual perversion begins by defining the objects of normal, healthy reproductive desire. Wanting to have sex with anything that falls outside that definition is perversion.

Obviously, reproductive desire should be for another person. This means that sexual desire for trees or goats or ladies’ shoes is perversion. Sexual desire should also be for a live human being, which rules out dead people. And the live human beings should be at least of reproductive age, so wanting sex with children is also perverted.

But what do all these excluded objects of desire have in common? They are a complete dead end. For someone’s reproductive drives to be oriented toward children or rocks or goats or dead people is perverse because a reproductive urge in any of those directions is bound to fail. It’s an evolutionary absurdity.

So we’re not far if we define perversion as acting on a sexual desire for something or someone with whom reproduction is obviously impossible. But that definition would classify homosexuals among the perverts.

To consider homosexuality abnormal is now considered outmoded—maybe even perverted. The American Psychological Association calmly explains that “Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality.” However, people who say that are in the odd position of having to agree that, yes, having a reproductive urge for every other reproductive dead end is abnormal and maybe even perverse, but it’s fine if men want to have sex with men.

I can’t think of any scientific or logical basis on which to make that exception. A dead end is a dead end, whether it’s a sheep or a corpse or someone of the same sex or a toaster.

We must, however, exclude from perversion certain makeshifts to which people resort when they can’t be with a live person of the opposite sex of at least reproductive age. Masturbation is the most common example; the basic orientation is normal but you couldn’t find a date. And it is obviously not perverse for a man to continue to have sexual relations with a woman past menopause.

Perversion or not, homosexuality has become respectable with astonishing speed. Before 1962, it was illegal in every state. As late as 2003, 14 states still had anti-sodomy laws on the books. Now the District of Columbia and 14 states (and eight American Indian tribes) recognize same-sex marriage, and four more states recognize same-sex “civil unions.”

As recently as 1982, the Department of Defense stated bluntly: “Homosexuality is incompatible with military service.” Nowadays, open homosexuals serve in all branches of the military.

Is this progress or decadence?

To answer that question, it helps to have some basic information on homosexuality and its consequences, but it’s surprisingly hard to come by. Homosexual activists are desperate to persuade us that they are statistically indistinguishable from heteros, while Christian anti-sodomites want us to think homosexuals are as queer as queer can be. Not many people seem just to want the truth.

First, what percentage of Americans are homosexual? The famous Kinsey Report of 1948 reported wildly high figures: that 27% of young, unmarried men had homosexual activity to the point of orgasm,” and that 10% of 20-year-old married men had homosexual affairs outside of marriage.

There have since been plenty of studies and estimates, but one of the best is a 2012 Gallup survey that asked more than 120,000 adults if they were LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). Slightly more women (3.6%) than men (3.3%) said they were. According to a Centers for Disease Control survey, only 1.3% of women think of themselves as exclusively lesbian.

The Gallup survey found racial differences, with whites the least likely to say they were LGBT. Blacks were 44% more likely, Asians 34% more likely, and Hispanics 25% more likely. Contrary to what most people think, LGBT are more likely to be poor than are heteros. Gallup also found very little regional variation, with Southerners about as likely to be LGBT as people on the two coasts. Somewhat disquietingly, Gallup found that fully 20% of LBGTs are married to people of the opposite sex.

How promiscuous are homosexuals? Some people argue that except for about 15% who are wildly promiscuous, homosexuals are no different from heteros. The anti-sodomites like to quote a 1997 study from the Journal of Sex Research that polled 2,583 older homosexuals and found that the most common number of lifetime partners fell somewhere between 101 and 500, and that 10% to 16% reported having more than 1,000. A 2009 Australian “Gay Census” that was not restricted to age found that a quarter of homosexuals reported over 100 partners and 10% had so many they had “no idea.” The older the men were, the more likely they were to be in the over 100 or “no idea” categories.

It’s harder to get good data on lesbians, but the figures are lower. The same Australian survey found that 52% of lesbians (as opposed to only 17% of male homosexuals) reported between two and ten partners, and only 1% said they had had more than 100. A British study found that the total number of partners for most lesbians was between five and ten.

Disease rates are one of the few undisputed facts about homosexuals. The Centers for Disease Control says that in 2008 “men who have sex with men” accounted for 63% of new syphilis cases. If men are half the population and 3.3% of them are homosexual, it means that 1.65% of Americans account for 63% of the country’s syphilis cases.

It’s even worse for AIDS. In 2010, homosexuals were about 200 times more likely than everyone else to be diagnosed with HIV. However, the CDC says they are only 15 times more likely than everyone else to get Hepatitis B and about 17 times more likely to have anal cancer.

The CDC says both homosexuals and lesbians are more likely than heterosexuals to take illegal drugs and drink too much—but it gives no figures. The American Lung Association says homosexuals smoke cigarettes at about twice the rate of heteros.

Medical authorities also agree that homosexuals and lesbians are more likely than heteros to have anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and to commit suicide. The anti-sodomites say this proves homosexuals are botched. The other side says that they drink and smoke and take drugs and go crazy because of social rejection.

Homosexual men get anorexia and bulimia at 10 to 15 times the rate for heterosexual men. This is no surprise, since they are trying to attract men that care about looks. Lesbians have about twice the rate of eating disorders as heterosexual women.

There is one medical outcome on which homosexuals do better than heteros: They are only half as likely to be obese, which is consistent with trying to look good. Lesbians, who are notorious for not caring how they look, are two and a half times more likely than hetero women to be fat or obese.

The Department of Justice reports that homosexuals are more likely (15.4% of them) than heterosexual men (10.8%) to be physically attacked by a domestic partner. But the DOJ also found that 39% of cohabiting lesbians say they have been raped, attacked, or stalked by a lover, as opposed to 21.7% of heterosexuals who live with men. This means a lesbian is about twice as likely as a hetero woman to be stalked or slapped around by a live-in lover.

A hugely disproportionate number of male serial killers have been homosexual; figures run from 40 to 60% depending on definitions. Some of the most famous—John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Juan Corona, Wayne Williams, Dean Corll—certainly were. It is unlikely that the National Institutes of Health will fund research to look for a causal relation.

There are very few studies on personality differences, but bouncers report that crowds of homosexuals are much more peaceful than heteros. Lesbians are more masculine than hetero women and have much more masculine preferences for jobs and hobbies.

Are homosexuals more likely to molest children than heteros? They say men who molest boys are not homosexual because they are not interested in adults at all and don’t even care whether they are molesting boys or girls.

The anti-sodomites naturally point out that a third of the children who are molested are boys—there is little dispute about that—and that men who molest boys are obviously homosexual. It is surprisingly hard to get to the bottom of this. It’s another question that does not seem to be drawing grant money.

Finally, what causes homosexuality? The anti-sodomites say it is a sin and are therefore skeptical of any evidence that people are born that way. They prefer a theory of older men recruiting boys into a fraternity of degeneracy. The libs say people are born homosexual, so it’s perverse to blame them for it. These are the same people who tell you that race, IQ, and even sex are social constructs.


In fact, no one really seems to know what causes homosexuality.

There has been a lot written about differences in brain hemisphere size in homosexuals or that their amygdalae are hooked up differently, but none of this appears to be definitive. However, peer-reviewed studies show that the more older brothers a man has, the more likely he is to be homosexual. The best guess is that having boys does something to a mother’s womb that results in hormone flows that contribute to homosexuality, but no one really knows.

Most homosexuals say they were always attracted to men and I’m inclined to believe them. I can’t imagine a man who was attracted to women choosing on some weird whim to have sex with men instead.

Today, the new frontier for homosexuals is same-sex marriage, but how many even want to marry? Only an estimated 30% of homosexuals live with a partner, and even when they do it is so rare to be faithful that even The New York Times admits that “monogamy is not a central feature” for homosexual couples. According to one Dutch study, homosexuals in “steady partnerships” usually have open relationships, with an average of seven or eight outside affairs for each person every year. A 2010 British study found that even homosexuals in couples who called themselves “monogamous” thought outside sex was fine so long as it was not complicated by emotions.

Some homosexual activists say openly that they want same-sex marriage only because it is an official blessing of homosexuality. It’s part of the quest for “respectable queerness.” Now that same-sex marriage is legal, two-thirds of the couples are lesbians.

Same-sex marriages break up more often than heterosexual marriages, though, and lesbian couples are particularly fragile. In Sweden and Norway, homosexuals are about 50% more likely than heterosexual couples to divorce, and lesbians are two to three times more likely. In Vermont, which legalized same-sex civil unions in 2000, homosexual and lesbian couples have been 40% more likely to split up than hetero couples.

How should we view homosexuality? It should be treated as a naturally occurring defect, much like deafness or diabetes or asthma. We don’t blame people for these conditions or persecute them, but we don’t treat them like heroes, either. City governments do not vote money for asthma pride day. It is strange and unhealthy to celebrate defects as if they were accomplishments.

Instead, homosexuals are now a protected class. Thirty states plus the District of Columbia have hate crime laws that cover them, and in 2009 the federal hate crime law was expanded to include them. This means that if my husband punches a man who makes a pass at him, it is a more serious crime than if he punches a man who makes a pass at me. Where’s the logic in that?

In 21 states and the District of Columbia homosexuals have employment protection, just like blacks or Hindus. They aren’t yet a class for federal employment protection, but Congress is working on changing that.

The idea of homosexual marriage rewrites the idea of marriage. Societies give benefits to married couples because they are the people who bring the next generation into the world. We value marriage not because married people copulate—though of course they do—but because they produce children. Same-sex marriage ignores the whole question of children and defines marriage as nothing more than copulation. By that standard, if an animal fetishist keeps a mule, he should be able to declare a civil union, enroll the mule in the corporate health plan, and have the company pay the vet bills.

Homosexuals have gotten where they are for two reasons. First, they are riding the wave of egalitarian insanity. Since men and women are the same, Pygmies and Swedes are the same, and Muslims and Christians are the same, why not homo- and heterosexuals?

Homosexuals are also a tireless pressure group and have promoted themselves to the point that most Americans think they amount to about 25% of the population. This has created the current atmosphere in which people who don’t slobber happily over them are punished.

These days, it’s only Christians and groups such as the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family that complain when the rainbow flag is shoved down our throats. Non-religious people don’t like it either but are too afraid to say so.

You don’t have to be a religious fundamentalist to think homosexuals are perverts. They are. Just don’t risk your job by saying so in public.


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Re: The Straight Dope on Homosexuality

Post by Will Williams » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:42 pm

I've been jokingly saying LGBTCNZ for several years now since Coprophiles, Necrophiles and Zoophiles also need protection from us hated, discriminating straights.

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Turns out someone took that seriously, or at least part of it. We're getting there.
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Disgusting perverts or just misunderstood?
Meet the zoophiles who have sex with animals
and want to be embraced by Pride

by Chris Sweeney
6 Jul, 2021

Zoophiles believe it’s acceptable to be intimate with an animal, and want the LGTBQ+ movement to add a Z to its name. RT spoke to one about their secret world, and with members of the ‘furry’ and ‘therian’ communities.
Pride Month has just come to an end, following four weeks of global parades and celebrations featuring gay, bisexual, queer, trans, de-trans, asexual and other marginalised communities.

But one group not welcome, for the most part, is the zoophile community. In a nutshell, this comprises people who have a sexual attraction to animals, although this may not always necessarily be acted upon.https://www.rt.com/op-ed/528430-zoophil ... ide-lgbtq/

This exclusion has caused the zoophile community to hold its own Pride celebration, which this year is from July 1 to July 7...
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Read more about this sick shit, here: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/528430-zoophil ... ide-lgbtq/ And keep your pets indoors at night
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Re: The Straight Dope on Homosexuality

Post by Jim Mathias » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:40 pm

You don’t have to be a religious fundamentalist to think homosexuals are perverts. They are. Just don’t risk your job by saying so in public.
So if I don't have a job, it's ok to tell the world what I think??

Ah heck, I think I'll just do so anyway. I've always thought that walking around uptight about what others think or say about me was bad for me anyway.
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