The Undiluted Truth: An Interview With Jez Turner Part 1 & 2

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The Undiluted Truth: An Interview With Jez Turner Part 1 & 2

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The Undiluted Truth: An Interview With Jez Turner, Part 1
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American Dissident Voices broadcast of February 18, 2017
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by Kevin Alfred Strom

TODAY WE WELCOME to our ADV microphones a man who has been much in the news lately, both in his own United Kingdom and in the United States — a man who has been attacked by the enemies of our people and the enemies of free speech for exercising that free speech, and for facilitating the free speech of others: Mr. Jez Turner (pictured). Welcome to the program, Mr. Turner.

Jez Turner: Thanks for having me on here. It’s a great honor to be on this program. Thank you.

Kevin Alfred Strom: Now, Jez, you’ve become quite well known in the media recently for heading a series of meetings called the London Forum. What is all the fuss about?

JT: Indeed — what is all the fuss about? Let me read for you a statement that we had published in the Independent online newspaper. It was published last week. Basically, we had a meeting in Kensington, with six or seven speakers and about a hundred attendees. And the enemies of free speech — the lower-level enemies, the “antifa” as they’re called in this country and elsewhere — were outside of the hotel demonstrating and setting off smoke bombs, wearing balaclavas, and generally abusing anybody and everybody who was not wearing a balaclava. So this was picked up by some newspapers and other outlets, and this Independent journalist asked for a statement of what we are and what we do. And I’ll read this statement to you, which they printed:

We abhor the criminalization of opinions, and defend the right of anyone to question the conventional narrative concerning any events that took place in any period of history. And we regard the nature of Zionism, the role of Israel in international affairs, and the influence of the Jewish diaspora upon culture and politics as being legitimate subjects for discussion. The London Forum is not a credally defined group, though its center is dominated by an opposition to globalism, an opposition to Cultural Marxism, an opposition to Marxism, and a support for White ethnicity and civilization, liberty of expression, and religious traditions. We think it is time for the tyranny of Orwellian “Political Correctness” to be deposed by classically-rooted European values.

So that’s what we are. We’re a discussion group that aims high.

So what is all the fuss about? The Internet is challenging the “liberal” orthodoxy. Closed minds stop “thought crimes” — that’s what the powers that be want. They want to stop people from thinking. Now the Internet is challenging that. It’s challenging the supremacy of liberalism, challenging the supremacy of Jewish supremacism, and the liberal hegemony.

Now recently in Britain, a group called National Action was banned under the terrorism laws. They’re the first-ever group that was banned under the terrorism laws that was British. All the rest have been foreign groups. They were banned because, well, because they wore masks, they did situationist demonstrations and protests, they were banned because of their ideology, they were banned because the government could not infiltrate them — but, crucially, they were most probably banned because they were recruiting on universities. They were aiming for the intelligent section of our people. And they were very active online with the Internet. They weren’t banned because they were a terrorist group — they were banned because they were effective. Put it that way.

Now the London Forum has these meetings — we’ve been having them for six, five years — and most of the speeches go online. And we’ve had a half million views. So you can realize why there’s a fuss. The powers that be have tried to ignore us for a long time. But certain rebellious elements within the Establishment are beginning to realize that should try and close us down.

So we had a meeting down in Bristol attacked recently by a mob of antifa — and I very much doubt that they’ll ever get banned as a terrorist group — it’s not going to happen! You know… [laughter]

KAS: [laughter]

JT: And then Saturday last we had that incident. I must give all credit to the hotel chain, Holiday Inn. They did not close down the meeting. They allowed us to carry on until the end. And in a statement to the press, they said, “We have no more understanding or awareness or control over the politics of those who rent conference venues than we do over the politics of those who rent bedrooms…”

KAS: Why did they have to issue such a statement? Who was demanding that they explain themselves?

JT: First of all it was the journalists, the Metro and the Independent newspapers. But when the hotel chain got back to them and said that as long as the activities are not illegal, then they can go ahead, then a group called the “Campaign Against Anti-Semitism” (CAA) got involved. This is a shadowy “charity” — very well-funded, probably by George Soros. And they got on to the CEO of Holiday Inn Intercontinental, which is the parent company of Holiday Inn, and his PA checked with the CEO and got back to them and said no — if it’s not illegal, it’s okay. So they were very annoyed about that.

KAS: Yes, indeed. So what do you think the next step is going to be for the enemies of free speech to try to shut you down? Clearly they’re not going to give up after their first rebuff, or after the failure of their mobs.

JT: They always use multi-pronged attacks. Like we should: There’s no “one way.” For success, we need to try them all.

So, I’ve got in front of me here a 180-page legal document from the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism — and this is all because of a speech I gave two years ago in Whitehall, opposite Number 10 Downing Street. Ad this was a speech at a rally opposing the shomrim. Are you aware of what the shomrim are?

KAS: Yes, they’re the private Orthodox Jewish “police force.”

JT: Yes, they’re based in north London in this country, and they drive police cars with the word “police” exchanged for “shomrim” — they wear uniforms that look very similar to police uniforms; they’re funded by government; they get police training and firearms training. And they’re Jewish. And no other ethnic group can have a vigilante force or police force.

KAS: I was just thinking that perhaps White nationalists need our own police force.

JT: It has been tried in the past, but we don’t last very long. It was tried in Birmingham in the 80s, and it didn’t last very long. The Muslims tried it in east London, and it didn’t last very long. The Sikhs tried it — the Hindus tried it.

I have this document on my desk here. This [CAA] group is like the Haganah [a Jewish paramilitary group in Palestine during the British Mandate. — Ed.]. They have a symbol like the Haganah’s. They have a “Director of Enforcement” like the Haganah. They just go after anybody and everybody online who they don’t agree with.

KAS: Obviously, you can’t read us this long document, but what’s the gist of it?

JT: The gist of it is that this chap called Gideon Falter says he was in Whitehall and he heard my speech. And this speech was, without question, “the most serious and sustained anti-Semitic attack I have ever witnessed firsthand. When I heard it, I felt horrified, humiliated, and frightened. These feelings persist whenever I recall it. It felt like I had been directly attacked, along with my family and community. I still struggle to believe that these words were spoken publicly in the UK in 2015.” Praise indeed, praise indeed!

KAS: Indeed.

JT: My speech was “reported” by various Jewish groups to the Crown Prosecution Service and police, along with my lawyer who didn’t even know what the shomrim were — nobody knows about this thing, really; that’s what the demonstration was all about, to publicize it.

KAS: This is a lawsuit that’s being filed against you?

JT: The government said that it’s not in the public interest to prosecute this. Basically, my speech was too damn good. Too damn good — and they didn’t want to drag me through court based on that speech. But the CAA opposed that decision, and they have launched a “judicial review” of it, which means they disagree with the government’s decision, and they have, after two years, finally got their day in court. So, in the High Court, on the 23rd of March, I’ll go along there as an official observer — as an interested party to hear them argue it out. If they lose, they lose £20,000. So they’ll probably appeal. That’s the maximum they can lose. And if they lose it would be quite good. They’ll lose some money. If they win, it then goes back to the government and they’ll decide whether to prosecute me and we go through all that circus again. We’ll see what happens. There are various methods they can use to shut us down, really — there are legal avenues and illegal avenues. They aren’t fussy.

KAS: Well, I am told by a wit who I read on Twitter named Nikos, I think, that when someone starts shouting “anti-Semitism!” that’s just another way of saying “You’re getting warmer, you’re getting warmer.”

JT: [laughter] Very true, very true. They don’t like criticism, do they?

KAS: No indeed. They give the impression of having something to hide, actually.

JT: Yes. This group — the CAA — are just creating more problems for themselves in the long-term, because they are annoying a lot of people.

KAS: What was your original purpose in starting the London Forum? Why did you think it was needed?

JT: Nationalism has been plagued by factionalism; by egos, personalities; by petty ideological disputes, party political disputes. And you have a situation where nationalist political parties dumb down their message: They don’t spread the truth. They’re watering things down so they don’t get opposition criticism — so they appeal to the largest number of dumbed-down, brainwashed voters. So you have a situation where the truth is not being spread; where people in these parties have to watch their Ps and Qs — and if they get expelled from these parties, they have nowhere to go. So there are a lot of problems.

I felt there should be somewhere where a person could come along and dip his toe into the nationalist milieu without having to join anything, or commit to anything, or repeating a credo.

Secondly, I realized that we were aiming low all the time. We aimed for the football hooligans, for elements who weren’t really into intellectual thinking. And I realized that this was a mistake. If you remember Enoch Powell’s famous speech, “Rivers of Blood,” he says “I seem to see the Tiber foaming with much blood.” This was a quotation from Virgil’s Aeneid. But the average Smithfield meat porter or docker who marched in his support did not read Virgil’s Aeneid. But he still understood what Enoch Powell was going on about. This is the trickle-down effect. You aim high; it trickles down anyway. To the football hooligans. To the patriotic working class. It doesn’t matter.

There was a definite need for a leadership cadre. For a new intelligentsia. For new mass media. And for this you need people who perhaps have a bit of spare time — they’re not slaving in a factory all the hours God sends. They have a bit of spare money. And genetically they have a fair amount of intelligence and leadership qualities. So this is what I wanted to do. I wanted to aim for these people.

I also wanted to create a sea of sympathizers. As everyone knows, for extremists to flourish, they have to swim in a sea of sympathizers. And if we could not bring people over to our “hard core” ideology — whatever you want to call our ideology; it’s the ideology of common sense, really — we could at least lessen their opposition. We could at least network, and create networks of sympathizers or partial sympathizers. There needed to be some way, some place where we could showcase our movement — because not everybody wants to join an organization; not everybody wants to vote for this party or that.

KAS: So the Forum is a venue more than it is an organization, then.

JT: Exactly. It’s not really an organization at all. It’s a venue. It’s a place we can come together, socialize, network, knock ideas around, hear some good speeches, buy some hard-to-find literature, and go away inspired and motivated to carry on the fight in whichever way we choose.

In a sense, you see, all the great leaders in history have always been close to, or met with, or been inspired by other great leaders. Eustace Mullins was inspired by Ezra Pound. William Pierce was inspired by Lincoln Rockwell. There’s always a need for a role model, for an inspirer, for a motivator. And the best way is face to face. You cannot beat face to face. The Internet’s great, don’t get me wrong, this is great. But you need something else as well.

The London Forum is not instead of — it’s as well as — as well as political parties. We need a political party, true. We need vlogs, we need blogs, we need all these other things. But there is also a need for a face-to-face place where people can come together and knock ideas around, and realize they’re not alone. You are not alone. Your ideas are not strange.Everyone agrees with us who still can think.

KAS: It sounds to me like you’ve put a great deal of thought and life experience into planning and creating the Forum. What led up to this? Can you tell me something about you, about your personal background, and about what led you to your political awakening?

JT: I suppose I’ve always been awake to a certain extent. I grew up in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, in the depth of the countryside. It was an idyllic, traditional, innocent childhood. The village had 200 people, a manor house, a little church. I was left to my own devices. I was not over-parented like children are nowadays. I was left free to roam, to do exactly what I wanted to do. I could do anything I wanted to, really. I was free to have adventures and to indulge my imagination. There was very little corruption there. Up to 11 years old, I had a heavenly childhood. It was great.

Secondary school, I went to a public school for three years — that made me work hard, and realize the need for hard work to achieve anything in life. Then I went to a grammar school for the rest of my education.

While I was living in this Yorkshire village — while where I was living was perfect — there were dark clouds on the horizon. If I looked to the east, we had an urban center called West Yorkshire, where the city of Bradford was, which had a very large Pakistani element, shall we say, an Indian subcontinent population. If I looked to the west, we had Pendle — again, a very large ethnic contingent. And these places were not happy places. Where I was was fine, but these places were not. And I thought: “This is not right. Something is wrong here.”

And then, linked with all that, I began to realize that my education was not what it was cracked up to be. I detected an undercurrent of anti-British sentiment, always running us down, always doing us down, always running down the White race. I got fed up with this. I thought: “Something is not right here.”

I’m a very curious person. I’ve always had a sort of gallant, chivalrous, adventurous nature. I’ve always gloried in tales of heroism like Ian Serraillier’s Greek myths, and that chap who went off to Kashmir, Alexander Gardner, and the Flashman novels. I’ve always had this sort of “do the right thing” attitude — fell giants, slay dragons. It’s in my nature, my personality, my alchemy. If I’ve seen something wrong, I’ve always tried to put it right. So I suppose that’s what led me into political activity. I couldn’t just sit by and watch this happening — this darkening of our continent and this alien control — without doing anything about it.

KAS: A few moments ago you described yourself as an “extremist.” What do you mean by that?

JT: We have to use terms that are in the current discourse, in the mass media, and in society. What I meant by that is someone who is opposed to the current “mainstream.” I regard the ideology we hold, by whatever name we call it, as the ideology of common sense. There’s nothing extreme about it at all. There’s nothing unusual. It is the ideology of the tribe, of putting your people first, of putting your nation first, of putting your family first. It is just common sense.

And then the enemy created ideologies. They created liberalism. They created Bolshevism. They created Communism, feminism — all these “isms.” And the people with common sense were thinking: “Well, hang on, how do our people decide what ideology to choose? We need to create our own ideology and give them a choice.” So we created things like National Socialism, social nationalism, Fascism, traditionalism, nationalism, racial-nationalism, all this stuff — but really it’s just common sense. Read the Classics — the ancient Greek classics, the Roman, Latin classics, the Victorian classics — and you’ll see that these ideas are mainstream.

What I’m saying is that anyone who holds an ideology that is against the current ruling ideology is now termed an “extremist.” The Muslims are very lucky. They have a milieu in which to swim. Even Muslims who aren’t radical will put up with radical Muslims and hide them from the state. They’ll look after them. Because they’re Muslims. That’s their traditional way of looking at it. There are people to look after them, whatever they’ve done. He may be a beast, but he’s our beast. We don’t have this. Because our people are infected with liberalism.

KAS: The way I would out it is that living in accord with Nature, and Nature’s laws, is today considered extreme and radical. And I don’t think those words should be demonized or considered evil.

JT: Yes. Radix is “root.” An ideal society makes its laws in line with Nature’s laws. Because what else is there? It’s common sense, isn’t it?

KAS: You say the enemy has created these ideologies — feminism, multiracialism — and you have dared to identify that enemy as the Jewish power structure, have you not?

JT: I think it’s quite obvious that Jews do what’s best for Jews. Not only that — all people do what’s best for their own people — but the Jews are exceptional. They’re different. Because they live among us, everywhere. So if they want to make themselves strong, they have two options. They can make themselves strong by having more children; they can become martial; they can be ethnocentric and ethnically proud. But they also can make themselves strong by making other groups weaker, and this is a crucial point. This is why they back feminism — but not for themselves. They back multiracialism, multiculturalism, miscegenation — but not for themselves. They back mass immigration — but not for Israel.

The examples are legion. Not to talk about this issue, not to talk about Jewish influence, Jewish power, would be rather like a designer of helicopters ignoring gravity. You cannot talk about the American elections without talking about the Jewish lobby. Very recently in Britain, we had a Jewish embassy official asking how can “we” take down politicians who are against Israel — or not in favor of Israel enough. We have a situation in Britain now where if you talk about the Jews without groveling enough to them — without saying how wonderful they are, how brilliant they are, how splendid they are — then you are guilty of “anti-Semitism.”

I’m in a situation where I could tell you who owns and controls everything worth owning and controlling in Britain — but if I did, I could be considered “anti-Semitic.” Well, there are two ways round that. You can say let’s hide — let’s not say what I believe in. Or you can come out and say it.

Let’s give an example. A friend of mine put up a video by David Duke a couple of years ago on his Web site. And he got an email from some American, belonging to some American organization, criticizing him, saying, “How dare you put up David Duke’s video? Don’t you realize David Duke is this, he’s that, he’s a bad man, he’s a liar, blah blah blah… I have made it my life’s work to undermine David Duke.”

So my friend asked me, “What do you think about this?”

I answered, “This chap, X (I’ve forgotten his name), from America. Have you ever heard of him?”

“No.”

“Ever heard of his organization?”

“No.”

“Well, there’s your answer. Just ignore it.”

So there are three reasons why some nationalists avoid mentioning the Jews. One is strategy. They want to play the UKIP [United Kingdom Independence Party, a non-racial civic nationalist group of the mildest imaginable type — Ed.] game. But why bother? Because UKIP are playing that game better than anyone else could. Let them play it. You’re not going to compete with them. That’s one reason — strategy.

The second reason is “for fear of the Jews” — for fear of Jewish power. In other words, cowardice. But Jews are not invincible. Jews do make mistakes. Israel might not be there for many more years. Brexit and Trump showed that Jews are not invincible. It showed that people who are used to taking orders from the Jews, used to being paid by the Jews, can’t always rely on them.

The third reason is ignorance. A lot of people do not know the truth about the Jews, or about anything else, because no one has told them the truth. Now I’m spreading the truth.
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We’ll continue our interview with Jez Turner of the London Forum on next week’s program.

Before we go, let me mention two men who were brought to our attention by Mr. Turner and who have made great sacrifices for speaking the truth.

Laurence Burns is in prison in Great Britain for giving a speech during the summer outside the US Embassy at Grosvenor Square, London — a speech in support of American political prisoners such as Matt Hale, and in memory of David Lane. After giving that speech, he was charged and later found “guilty” of the “crime” of saying that the Jews were pushing multiracialism. Mr. Burns would very much appreciate letters and cards from America. Due to censorship of the mails there, please do not make overt political or racial statements in your letters.

Laurence Burns A1796DX
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HMP Peterborough
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Let me also mention Mr. Vincent Reynouard, who is literally on the run from the immoral minions of the immoral government of France, where he was convicted in absentia for disputing the Politically Correct interpretation of certain historical events that happened in the 1940s. Currently he is without a source of income, so readers who care about his plight are asked to support his publishing efforts and share his videos. You can find out more by visiting http://nationalvanguard.org/vincent — which will forward you to http://sansconcessiontv.org/catalogue/ — Mr. Reynouard’s Web site.

Be sure to be listening next week for the second part of our interview with Jez Turner right here on American Dissident Voices.
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The Undiluted Truth: An Interview With Jez Turner, Part 2
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American Dissident Voices broadcast of February 25, 2017
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by Kevin Alfred Strom

THIS WEEK we continue our interview with the United Kingdom’s Mr. Jez Turner (pictured), the founder of the London Forum and a man not only of words but of action. We left off last week as we were discussing the subject of telling the truth about Jewish power. Listen:

Kevin Alfred Strom: To what extent has “anti-Semitism” been criminalized in the UK?

Jez Turner: It’s not a crime. It’s only a “crime” if linked with something else. For example, if you punch someone in the face — that’s a crime of violence. It can be “aggravated” by anti-Semitism. If you are charged with “incitement to violence,” incitement to do this or do that, and you are linking that with anti-Semitism, that is considered a crime. But if you speak about the truth — if you just say, “Look, Rothschild is a Jewish firm,” there’s nothing much that they can do about it. It’s a grey area, like everything else. And various Jewish groups are pushing for this to be “tightened up” — more laws, more laws, you know — but it’s not actually a crime to speak the truth yet. Yet!

KAS: Well, if we can grow fast enough, and spread the truth among our people more and more and more, I think they will find it harder and harder to criminalize speaking the truth.

JT: The race is on. This is what they know: They got to shut us down. We’re spreading the truth; they’re shutting us down. They know it’s a race against time. Who will win? We need more brave men, I think.

KAS: Well thank you for doing what you’re doing. I think it’s extremely important. We have carried some of your London Forum videos on nationalvanguard.org and they are of extremely high quality. I want to thank you for your work and your courage — and especially your radicalism. I think that is precisely what we need. We need the unvarnished truth.

JT: The British people, as a whole, cannot take the whole truth. Most of them can’t. This is why we have Nigel Farage. I don’t mind people telling half-truths, or using a “ramp” or “stepping stone” strategy — but there must be someone who tells the truth. You see what I’m saying?

KAS: Yes.

JT: That’s my stance at least.

KAS: There needs to be leadership.

JT: Leadership, yes — and if you don’t go out there and organize things, how do you get leadership skills? How do you find potential leaders? If you don’t give delegate tasks to people, how do you know what they can do? We can’t live on the Internet forevermore, you know. We’ve got to make the transition. The Internet’s useful — but we’ve got to get out there and understand human nature and get real experience in the real world.

KAS: Jez, what in your view would be the ideal society that you are working for, for your people and for Europeans around the world generally?

JT: William Pierce was asked this question a long time ago, and he said “Sparta, Sparta!” I’m not really too bothered by which type of system we have, as long as we are left to be ourselves, as long as we are left to achieve our full potential, as long as we have our own countries and are able to control our own countries.

If you look at the French Revolution, it had its three-word motto — three-word mottos are still quite popular — which was “Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.” The Emperor Hadrian had the motto, “Humanity, Liberty, and Happiness,” Humanitas, libertas, felicitas. The Spartan ideal was “Strength, Justice, and the Muses.” — the muses meaning culture, the arts. And that’s a pretty good motto — “Strength, Justice, the Muses.” It’s quite good. So I would say, look at Sparta and Athens: Without Sparta, you would have had no Athens. I would say — because you need warriors. And we need warriors.

So I’m not too bothered, whether it’s a Renaissance type of civilization or a high Middle Ages type, or a Victorian type — as long as we are allowed to be ourselves. Let’s find out who we are! I think prescriptions, or trying to decide in advance is okay — but we won’t know until we’ve got there, until we’ve freed ourselves from alien influence. Then we’ll find the new golden age.

KAS: So the key then is a society by and for and of White people?

JT: Has to be, has to be — has to be.

KAS: And everything else is debatable?

JT: Exactly. Everything else is on the table. This is what the London Forum’s strength is. We don’t mind — anything and everything is arguable: free speech! But if we become extinct, it’s all over, isn’t it? That has to be the foundation. If you asked anybody, over a hundred years ago, what you just asked me — they’d all agree. They’d all say, “of course, of course.” No one was in favor of a multiracial mess. Nobody, apart from a few radical Jews. Liberalism is a blip. It’s a temporary blip in history — a very damaging one, but it’s going to disappear now. And we’re going to go back to reality — back to common sense.

KAS: What is the next step for your group, the London Forum — and for Jez Turner?

JT: Let Providence decide! [laughter]

KAS: [laughter] Okay.

JT: I suppose — a forum in every town in Britain, and Europe, and the White world.

We must politicize our people. In the grand sense of things, the metapolitical sense — not the petty party political, factional sense. We must politicize our people. We must give them back pride in themselves as White people. We must give them back their pride; We must give them back their confidence. We must rekindle their sense of mission, their sense of destiny, and their sense of greatness.

KAS: What would you say to a White person who doesn’t understand that — who would say, “Well why should we survive; what’s so special about us?” — what would your answer be to that?

JT: Well every people wants to survive. If they don’t, they’re mentally ill. Every tribe on Earth wants to survive and reach its potential. And the only way you don’t think that way is because you have been brainwashed, or perhaps bullied, or bribed, or blackmailed into thinking otherwise. Perhaps you’re mentally ill, perhaps you’ve taken too many drugs when you were younger, I don’t know. It’s basically this: Mad dogs are shot. Any other tribe would kill you if you belonged to their tribe. They would just get rid of you. They’d say, “This guy is a lunatic.”

KAS: Seriously though, what is so special about White people in your view? How would you explain that to an outsider?

JT: If I was explaining it as a White person, it doesn’t need explaining. I mean, we’ve gone to the Moon — and no one else did. We invented everything. We have explored the world, the depths of the oceans, the deeps of space. We have created beautiful art– that many races admire. We don’t need to say we’re superior; we can just say, “Look, let us live — because it’s best that there is a variety of people on this Earth. Diversity, in its true sense, is a good thing. Europe was great because it was diverse — many different cultures and nations — all White, but different.

KAS: I’ve had the same feeling in my soul since I was a child — that there is something special about us and about the civilization we made. Even before I intellectually understood it, I understood it as a feeling, as a deep emotion in my soul — maybe an instinct to cleave to my people. I remember being six years old and being very impressed by classical art and by the fact that I was somehow a part of the civilization that created this. And this was before I could have explained any of it — I felt it.

I think you do well to inspire people to find that feeling within themselves.

JT: I think this is very important as well. As I’ve said to various men, “Look, you’ve got this girlfriend here who doesn’t understand your ideology. Don’t go and tell her everything on the first date — what you believe in. Instead, take her to a classical music concert. Take her to an art gallery. Take her to a stately home — a national trust home, that type of a thing, or a castle. Take her to a market town, a cathedral town.”

Why are Whites special? Well, our art is special — but there’s more than that. Look all across the world: It is only the White people who care about the endangered species. Only the White people who care about environmentalism, global warming, Nature: We are the world’s altruists. We care — and we care about everything.

KAS: Indeed.

JT: This is our problem, too. We don’t care about ourselves enough. We’re too busy caring about everything else. We care about tribes in the Amazon jungle that are lost. This is something that no other people do; others think we’re stupid, but I think we can use this to appeal to other people, and other races, who are thinkers and say to them, “Look, if the White race goes, everything else is going to go: Boom — it’s game over for the whole world.” I think we are the world’s custodians in a very real sense.

KAS: Yes, and I think our inventiveness is the world’s hope for saving, not just human civilization, not just the human race, but all life in the universe in the distant future: Because what other hope is there — for surviving cosmic catastrophes, for example — besides our creativity?

I was reading the book Human Accomplishment by Charles Murray. Now, Charles Murray is a man who pulls a lot of his punches when it comes to race. But nevertheless he’s collated a great amount of data that is so powerful and so persuasive that I think everyone should read his book. You look at the artistic and the scientific accomplishments of human beings through time — which is essentially what the book is about — and you see that 97% of the scientific accomplishments, for example, come from Europe or European people in North America. That's got to prove, even to the most brainwashed skeptic, that there is something special about our race.

JT: Yes. I don’t like Chinese art, for example, with the cherry trees or other things, though I can understand people who perhaps do; but science —there is no doubting about that. You can’t go wrong with that, especially science that brings benefits to us. Look at The Bell Curve and other writings — look at all the advances we’ve made, in agriculture and everything. It all comes down to the White race.

Our enemies argue that we’ve created global warming. And we’ve given our science to these other races which means they can stop dying so much, and breed more. Thus we’ve created problems with overpopulation. Well, yes, we may have created these problems. while we were being guided by liberalism. Science, guided by liberals, is a disaster. But science is a weapon, a tool. It depends which ideology is guiding it. If we can get rid of liberalism, we can use science to make the world a better place.

KAS: Yes, I think once we have a racial state that is secure — of course, if we had a racial state, at first it wouldn’t be secure because the Jewish power structure and the governments that are beholden to that power structure would be against us — but once we had a secure racial state, so many possibilities in science, in culture, in things we can’t even imagine right now, would open up for us. It would be not only an historic moment in human civilization, but perhaps one of the largest turning points in the history of life in the Universe.

JT: Yes. I think what we’re going through now is a test. It’s a cosmic test. I think we have to rise to the occasion and create this ethnostate that you’re talking about. And it will come under attack. Just like ancient Greece came under attack by the Persian Empire. Life is a struggle — a constant struggle. A constant series of tests. And we have had too much peace and prosperity for too long. We’ve become weak. We’ve become soft. The only way to go forward is to go forward. You can’t sit back and relax. Because life is like a treadmill, going backwards — you’ve got to go forward.

And I think the White race is always best when it’s got a struggle on its hands. When its back is to the wall. When it’s fighting against innumerable odds. Then we rise to the challenge. Heraclitus said, “War is the father of all.” Well, in a sense, struggle is the father of all. Struggle creates more inventions than anything else. This is why war was so important for scientific leaps forward. And I think we have to tell our people: “That television you’re watching — get it and throw it out the window. You’ve got to wake up. Wake up! Realize that your very existence — and everything you hold dear — is on the line.”

We’ve got to give them a liking for their culture — though many people now don’t have a culture. The liberals mock working class White people. They say, “What’s the lottery? Oh, it’s culture for working class people.” They mock us. They destroyed our culture. Then they mock us for having no culture. We have to give people a pride in their culture, their history, their heritage, their countryside, their nature — and then we have to say to them: “This, that is so valuable, is under attack. The only way you’re going to have a life worth living is to find your personal mission — and the only personal mission worth having is to live in accord with this: in fighting for your people, and for your culture, for your traditions, and for your race.”

That’s the only thing that makes any sense. Otherwise, you may have a life that is full of hedonism and pleasure and leisure and parties abroad — and it goes nowhere, and you get depressed. All these millionaires — they win the lottery, and they’re depressed. They’ve got all this money, but there’s nothing left to do in life. No struggle anymore. We need struggle.

KAS: I think our people are generally depressed.

JT: They are. Especially in the urban areas. There’s a general feeling of malaise. You see them all, miserable, on the tubes and the buses. And they sense something is wrong. And then they go on these holidays — perhaps they’re university students; they go away on a gap year and go to work in Africa or Asia or somewhere. And they see a society — a pure ethnic society — where there are large families and a sense of community. And they say, “This is wonderful, wonderful.” And they want to go and live there. But that’s wrong.

They are seeing a society that has not been corrupted. That’s what they enjoy. And they should come back to this country and sort out this country — not go and live in Thailand or whatever. Our country and our people have amazing potential. But we are killing ourselves — through abortion, through feminism, by not getting married and having children, by having one-child families, by putting that child in front of a television 24/7. We are in a bad way.

KAS: Yes — and for what? What is the purpose of all of this money-making? What is the purpose of this holiday-making? These people do not have anything that they really believe in. I think they themselves sense that. And that is why they must escape constantly, through entertainment, drugs, alcohol…

JT: Their highest god is money. And if their highest ideal is money, then whoever controls the money supply controls them. All they do is work for money to spend on leisure and pleasure — and they have nothing to live for. They are the perfect slaves. They don’t even realize they’re slaves. And they’re the slaves of those who control the money — and we know who I mean by that.

KAS: Indeed we do. And I think the more intelligent among them also have a dim awareness that they have to keep their heads down, that they have to speak “carefully,” that they have to bow to certain other groups in society. So I think that the more intelligent are, if anything, more depressed by this. They have a glimmer of an understanding of their own slavery.

JT: Yes. This is very important. We have to make sure that those who are depressed find a way of relieving their depression. And one very good way is to bring them into contact with other people who think like they do. Give them courage — boost their morale; that’s partly why the London Forum is there. Depression is a sin. Depression gets you nowhere — unless it drives you and motivates you into doing something. Pain is a great motivator.

A lot of people out there, who don’t call themselves nationalists or racialists, nevertheless know something’s wrong. They know they can’t criticize certain people. And they know these people have all the power. We have to encourage them to make the next step: to become political or at least metapolitical.

KAS: I can tell, just by talking to you, Jez, that you have the capacity and capability to inspire people. You know what, deep down in their souls, they are missing. And I think that we have something that is so valuable — that is so important. And you are capable of expressing that — so, by God, I hope that they don’t tie you up in legal knots so that you have to slow down or stop your work. I think it’s very important work.

JT: Well — amen to that. [laughter]

KAS: Are they going to force you to hire lawyers to defend against this “judicial review”? What’s going on with that?

JT: It’s just at the first stage. I was only notified a few weeks ago as an “interested party.” [laughter] So it’s not at the stage of me hiring lawyers. But, if it comes to that stage, I can get legal aid. So it’s not the end of the world. And I do have a very good man — who I will publicize here — Ian Millard. He has a Web site. He was a barrister. He’s actually a member of the New York Bar as well as London. But he was disbarred a couple of months ago through the acts of a Jewish organization for having political views they did not agree with. But he still has all his knowledge and experience. You can check his Web site online. And he gave a speech at the London Forum recently — you can have a look at it: “Free Expression Under Attack by the Zionist Lobby in Britain.” And he specialized in — guess what? — judicial reviews. So he knows his stuff. [laughter]

This is why networking’s so good, so important. [laughter]

KAS: That’s my problem. I’m a little bit too much of a loner, so I don’t network as much as I should. But I will tell you this, Jez: Talking to you has been inspiring. You are a man who can give people hope. And I think you have touched a current of both practical politics and community-building — and you’ve touched a current of the spirit. I think that’s a magical combination, and I thank you for doing what you’re doing.

JT: And I thank you for doing what you’re doing as well. I’ve long read your articles and listened to your radio broadcasts, so thank you as well.

KAS: Is there anything else you’d like to add before we’re cut off — anything that was left unsaid?

JT: There’s a political prisoner I want to tell your listeners about. He’d love some letters from America. He gave a speech outside the American embassy, and that speech led him to be charged in court — he’s on remand now, waiting for sentencing; he was found “guilty.” His name is Laurence Burns. If you write to him, please leave out any political strong stuff — any “strong meat.” You may reach him at:

Laurence Burns A1796DX
RX005/17
HMP Peterborough
PETERBOROUGH,
Cambridgeshire
PE3 7PD
England

Please write him and tell him you’re sorry to hear that his speech outside the American embassy has landed him in prison. He’d be very happy to hear from you, or anybody from America — or anywhere around the world.

KAS: Can you tell me what led up to his speech, and what was considered actionable in his speech?

JT: He was giving a speech in support of David Lane and in support of other American political prisoners [like Matt Hale, as mentioned last week — Ed.].

KAS: When did this take place?

JT: Last summer; I think it was July. And he’s also been sent to court about some Facebook postings — he didn’t set his Facebook page as private. It was public rather than private. But it’s his speech that was the main thing. He basically accused Jews of encouraging multiculturalism. [laughter]

KAS: [laughter] And that’s a crime?

JT: Well — it is in England. If he’d given the speech in the American embassy, it would be okay. But he was outside the American embassy in Grosvenor Square. [laughter]

KAS: So twenty feet of space makes all the difference in the world.

JT: So it does, yes. You have a lot of freedom in America. You play a very important part. Because it’s even worse in Europe. There’s very little we can say. And there’s the “Holocaust.” Questioning the standard narrative of history is a crime in various European countries. It’s not a crime in Britain. But we have other “crimes” that shock Americans. I mean, Joshua Bonehill is in prison for doing cartoons. Five years! — it’s been extended a few more years now, because they found some more of his old stuff online; and he was in prison by this time, so he hadn’t been posting it. You do a very important job over in America.

And do not be afraid of being a loner, or of solitude. Anthony Storr wrote a book called Solitude. It says, basically, that to cultivate genius you have to be alone sometimes. We need everybody: loners, team players — whatever someone’s skill is, he has a part to play.

KAS: Yes. We’re building a community — and we need all types. We’re building a nation. We’re building nations, really. It’s an amazing, unbelievable task, but a joyful task, that we have set for ourselves.

JT: Kevin, there’s a magazine coming out, called The Next Step. It’s being published in colaboration with Sans Concession. It’s to raise funds for Vincent Reynouard, who is an historian who is on the run from France. He was found “guilty” in France — they want to put him in prison for questioning certain historical incidents. He is on the run, without an income. This magazine is going to help and support him.

His Web site — where the magazine will soon be announced — can be visited by going to http://nationalvanguard.org/vincent — which will forward you to http://sansconcessiontv.org/catalogue/ — Mr. Reynouard’s Web site.

KAS: Very good. I will publicize it, both on American Dissident Voices, and on nationalvanguard.org as a standalone article.

JT: Splendid — thank you very much!

KAS: Thank you very much for being a guest today on American Dissident Voices — and I hope you will come back.

JT: I will. Hail thee and farewell — ave atque vale.
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Re: The Undiluted Truth: An Interview With Jez Turner Part 1

Post by Jim Mathias » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:30 am

Great program, Mr. Strom!
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