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Re: "Nazi"

Post by fluxmaster » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:02 am

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:26 am
Can someone explain why so many often use the word Fascism interchangeably with National Socialism? I know the public schools have taught us in ways that were anti white, but I do recall the word Fascism only being used to describe Mussolini’s Italy. Perhaps others got a different education, or maybe forgot?
I want to know how to set these fools straight if I can, on the differences.
Unlike National Socialism, Fascism is not racialist. A Jew could rise to a position of power in Mussolini's Fascist party but not in the NSDAP.

In the Soviet Union, and even in Putin's Russia, the National Socialists are called Fascists because, according to them, the USSR had the only true form of socialism.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Supremely White » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:26 pm

Thank you, Fluxmaster. That clears it up.
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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Jim Mathias » Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:14 am

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:26 am
Can someone explain why so many often use the word Fascism interchangeably with National Socialism? I know the public schools have taught us in ways that were anti white, but I do recall the word Fascism only being used to describe Mussolini’s Italy. Perhaps others got a different education, or maybe forgot?
I want to know how to set these fools straight if I can, on the differences.
As I'm to understand it, Fascism is a marriage between corporation and state and all are considered as operating within this model. In the U.S. this appears to be how things are done, believe it or not, and the only race that matters primarily are Jews with others being subservient (non-Whites) or considered a hostile enemy (like Whites are at present.) Fascist Italy was focused upon Italians and their affairs, though they had non-Whites within their system. National Socialism was an organic movement of Germans, where biological Whites ordered affairs among ourselves, non-German aliens had no status at all, and having no corporate entities as being the framework. The difference, I suppose, involved the freedom of movement afforded leaders to make changes in how society operates. A Fascist might require that all changes be done through a process involving those within the corporate being, a National Socialist makes changes as the leader of the organic hierarchy determines at his discretion and dispenses with having a corporation involved in the first place. To me this issue is trivial as it is about form and function. What matters is how the end result, advancing our race's purpose, is achieved. Dr. Pierce mentioned once that we could do this with popular democracy if we (Cosmotheists) had the levers of power to control such a process in our hands.

Why set fools straight on the nuances of these definitions though? They're anti-White as you've inferred and it seems to me that they're too often swayed by what the loudest voice (presently, the anti-White Jewish one) has to yammer on the topic with no real thinking involved here. "Casting pearls before swine," if you don't mind a Christian-originated reference here, is what appears to be going on.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by fluxmaster » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:28 am

Jim Mathias wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:14 am
As I'm to understand it, Fascism is a marriage between corporation and state and all are considered as operating within this model. In the U.S. this appears to be how things are done, . . .
Marriage between corporation and state is called corporatocracy, and that is what we have in the United States. That is not Fascism (or fascism). Fascism is a type of corporatism, which is not the same thing. Corporatism is the organization of society into corporate groups, similar to medieval guilds. Note that in Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism, the word "corporation" does not occur even once, but the word "corporative" occurs twice.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by RassenKrieg » Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:00 am

The way I was explained, is that not every fascist is a National Socialist, but every National Socialist is a fascist. We believe in the one universal truth, since the dawn of time. It is worth noting that within this belief that is unique to our race truly has no label, however. The struggle has been eternal, and it is not over until we win.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Durka » Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:32 pm

I prefer the designation "Nazi" over the phrase "National Socialist", since I believe most white Americans have a long-ingrained aversion to the word "socialist" - - even if it refers to an alternate definition of the word.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by RassenKrieg » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:24 am

Durka wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:32 pm
I prefer the designation "Nazi" over the phrase "National Socialist", since I believe most white Americans have a long-ingrained aversion to the word "socialist" - - even if it refers to an alternate definition of the word.

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Rockwell was very intelligent with the way he used the Hakenkreuz and the use of the slur word "Nazi."
The usage of the symbolism was because he did not want fence sitters, you are either down with them in the trenches, being called a Nazi by our people's enemies and flying the Hakenkreuz proudly - or you aren't with us.

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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Supremely White » Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:50 am

Durka wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:32 pm
I prefer the designation "Nazi" over the phrase "National Socialist", since I believe most white Americans have a long-ingrained aversion to the word "socialist" - - even if it refers to an alternate definition of the word.

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I must say he was a handsome fella. I also prefer to identify as “Nazi “, even if it was meant as some slur by the jews, because did we Whites (I prefer to use the capital W to describe our race, because it’s empowering) may or may not have been the ones to conjure up the word “racist “, but like Dr. Pierce, I also proudly identify as such, as well as “antisemite” , and IMO, National Socialist has more syllables and to me is therefore a mouthful, and whether the kikes cooked up Nazi as some kind of insult, I think of it as kind of an abbreviation for National Socialist, aside from the real abbreviation of N.S.
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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Will Williams » Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:08 pm

Supremely White wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:50 am
... I also prefer to identify as “Nazi “, even if it was meant as some slur by the jews.[sic].. (I prefer to use the capital W to describe our race, because it’s empowering)...
You may enjoy identifying as a Nazi, SW, but National Alliance members prefer the term National Socialist if we are going to identify as such, because "Nazi" has come to be a term of opprobrium. The Jew does not use the term National Socialism, but we do. Jews prefer "Nazi" as a slur and have influenced Whites to use it over the term National Socialism
IMO, National Socialist has more syllables and to me is therefore a mouthful...

Come on, SW. :roll: National Socialist is not a mouthful, SW, and is the preferred name over Nazi by the National Alliance as well as by Martin Kerr aka James Harting and the National Socialist NEW Order. In fact, unlike you, his New Order as well as our National Alliance capitalize the word Jew. Whenever you decide to become an Alliance member instead of a supporter, you will be expected to follow Alliance policy.

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:26 am
Can someone explain why so many often use the word Fascism interchangeably with National Socialism? I know the public schools have taught us in ways that were anti white, but I do recall the word Fascism only being used to describe Mussolini’s Italy. Perhaps others got a different education, or maybe forgot?
I want to know how to set these fools straight if I can, on the differences.
You're relatively new to the National Alliance, and to William Pierce and his teachings, SW. He addressed this question back in the 1966 when he was new to Our Cause and still working with GLR. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=525


Dr. William Pierce on the Difference between
National Socialism and Fascism

03-17-2013 by James Harting

The notion that the National-Socialism of Adolf Hitler is a type or variant of a more generally defined "fascism" is a staple of Marxist propaganda and analysis. Indeed, the Marxists have been so persistent and strident in making this false claim that it has infected the thinking even of some of those who claim to be NS themselves.

Back in 1970, Dr. William L. Pierce addressed this issue in his column "Questions & Answers for National Socialists," that appeared in WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, which was mass distribution tabloid of the National Socialist White People's Party. (Dr. Pierce is listed as the "Associate Editor" for the issue in which this particular column was printed.)

Read and learn!

==========================

Q: Liberals often refer to National Socialists as "fascists." Are they correct in this practice?

A: Liberals apply the label "fascist" to anyone whose ideas they find abhorrent or dangerous--even conservatives. They tend to use this term as a smear word, not restricting it to the adherents of any specific ideology. Thus, they probably feel as justified in trying to smear us with the label "fascist" as any other of their opponents.

Q: Well, is it proper for National Socialists to refer to themselves as "fascists?"

A: Certainly not. When we use the term we are virtually always referring to the adherents of the specific social-political doctrine on which Benito Mussolini founded his governmental system in Italy--that is Fascist with a capital "F." Although it may not seem important to the liberal, there is a profound difference between National Socialism and Fascism.

Q: But I thought that both Fascism and National Socialism were highly centralized, authoritarian and strongly nationalistic forms of government, with only slight differences between the ways they operated.

A: You have been reading too many textbooks written by liberals. Certainly the Fascist state and the National Socialist movement are authoritarian, and they both have a strong social basis. Furthermore, both Adolf Hitler's National Socialist government and Mussolini's Fascist government administered most of their programs for national and social renewal on a centralized, nationwide basis. Both governments brought forth immense popular enthusiasm, which was manifested in numerous public demonstrations and celebrations. All these things contributed to a seeming similarity. But the differences betwen the two systems are by no means slight!

Q: What are some of these differences?

A: The really fundamental difference lies in the role of the state and the race under each system.

In Mussolini's word's:
"The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state--a synthesis and a unit of all values--interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people...It is not the nation that generates the state...Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people...In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative..."

To the National Socialist, on the other hand, it is our Race, not the state, which is all-important. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote:
"The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar creatures... States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten monstrosities in fact." (II:2)
There are many important consequences of this basic difference in attitudes. For example, under Fascism anyone, regardless of racial background can be a citizen, as long as he accepts his responsibility to the state. Under National Socialism, on the other hand, membership in the racial community is the first requirement of citizenship.

(Source: WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, number 11, January-February 1970, p. 5)

==============================

Comments by James Harting: Apart from theoretical considerations that Dr. Pierce discusses, historically Fascism was notoriously weak on the crucial issues of Race and the Jewish Question. This is true both of Mussolini's original and of knock-off copies, such as that of Sir Oswald Mosely.

From 1914 through 1935, Mussolini's mistress, confidant and political advisor was Margherita Sarfatti, a wealthy Italian Jewish intellectual. She undoubtedly influenced Fascist doctrine and policies during this period, and was probably responsible for the Duce's initial hostility to National-Socialism and the Hitler movement.

A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint. Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini's neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.

I am aware that the attitudes and policies towards Race and the Jews were markedly better during the second incarnation of Fascism, that of the Italian Social Republic of 1944-45. Under pressure from the Germans, either direct or indirect, the Fascists made an attempt to bring themelves into line with the Hitlerian New Order. But it was too little, too late.

On the fringes of the Fascist movement, Baron Julius Evola (1898-1974) made an effort to provide Fascism with an ideological racial underpinning, but his effort fell way short of what was needed. Evola's theories are based on a "spiritual" racialism that is at odds with National-Socialist scientific, biological racialism. At the instruction of Heinrich Himmler, Evola's theories were investigated by the SS and formally rejected as non-NS.

I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as "small-f" fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling's Nasjonal Sammling in Norway. Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others--and miles apart from the Hitler movement. Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.

Note on the Movement career of Dr. Pierce: William Pierce's Movement career may be divided into three periods:
Early -- From the early 1960s through the assassination of Lincoln Rockwell in 1967. During this period, he served as a consultant to Commander Rockwell, and produced the first issues of National Socialist World, but otherwise his active involvement in the Movement was minimal.
Middle -- From 1968 to 1970, Dr. Pierce played an active role in the National Socialist White People's Party, of which he was a member and leading officer, and of the World Union of National Socialists, of which he was the General Secretary.
Late -- Following his dismissal from the NSWPP and WUNS in 1970, he took over and then re-molded the National Youth Alliance, which he later renamed the National Alliance. During this long and productive period of Movement involvement, he authored four books, made numerous American Dissident Voices broadcasts, gave innumerable speeches and wrote countless articles, essays and editorials.

During the first two periods, when he supported the American Nazi Party/NSWPP, he openly identified himself as a National-Socialist, and his writings were explicitly NS. During the third period, he no longer publicly identified himself as NS, but everything he wrote, said and did was implicitly, although not explictly, National-Socialist.

There is no discontinuity in ideological content between what Pierce first wrote in National Socialist World in 1966 and his American Dissident Voice's broadcasts of 2002. Rather, his words comprise a seamless whole, from the beginning of his involvement with the American Nazi Party to the end of his life. I consider everything that William Pierce produced to be an integral and important part of American National-Socialism, no matter what the period was in which he produced it.

Note that Dr. Pierce's explanation of differences between National Socialism and Fascism from 1966 first appeared here on White Biocentrism nearly ten years ago, then on NationalVanguard.com: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=525
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Re: "Nazi"

Post by Will Williams » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:40 am

Bump Dr. Pierce's answer to the question asked, before it scrolls off WB's front age.
Will Williams wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:08 pm
Supremely White wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:50 am
... I also prefer to identify as “Nazi “, even if it was meant as some slur by the jews.[sic].. (I prefer to use the capital W to describe our race, because it’s empowering)...
You may enjoy identifying as a Nazi, SW, but National Alliance members prefer the term National Socialist if we are going to identify as such, because "Nazi" has come to be a term of opprobrium. The Jew does not use the term National Socialism, but we do. Jews prefer "Nazi" as a slur and have influenced Whites to use it over the term National Socialism
IMO, National Socialist has more syllables and to me is therefore a mouthful...

Come on, SW. :roll: National Socialist is not a mouthful, SW, and is the preferred name over Nazi by the National Alliance as well as by Martin Kerr aka James Harting and the National Socialist NEW Order. In fact, unlike you, his New Order as well as our National Alliance capitalize the word Jew. Whenever you decide to become an Alliance member instead of a supporter, you will be expected to follow Alliance policy.

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:26 am
Can someone explain why so many often use the word Fascism interchangeably with National Socialism? I know the public schools have taught us in ways that were anti white, but I do recall the word Fascism only being used to describe Mussolini’s Italy. Perhaps others got a different education, or maybe forgot?
I want to know how to set these fools straight if I can, on the differences.
You're relatively new to the National Alliance, and to William Pierce and his teachings, SW. He addressed this question back in the 1966 when he was new to Our Cause and still working with GLR. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=525


Dr. William Pierce on the Difference between
National Socialism and Fascism

03-17-2013 by James Harting

The notion that the National-Socialism of Adolf Hitler is a type or variant of a more generally defined "fascism" is a staple of Marxist propaganda and analysis. Indeed, the Marxists have been so persistent and strident in making this false claim that it has infected the thinking even of some of those who claim to be NS themselves.

Back in 1970, Dr. William L. Pierce addressed this issue in his column "Questions & Answers for National Socialists," that appeared in WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, which was mass distribution tabloid of the National Socialist White People's Party. (Dr. Pierce is listed as the "Associate Editor" for the issue in which this particular column was printed.)

Read and learn!

==========================

Q: Liberals often refer to National Socialists as "fascists." Are they correct in this practice?

A: Liberals apply the label "fascist" to anyone whose ideas they find abhorrent or dangerous--even conservatives. They tend to use this term as a smear word, not restricting it to the adherents of any specific ideology. Thus, they probably feel as justified in trying to smear us with the label "fascist" as any other of their opponents.

Q: Well, is it proper for National Socialists to refer to themselves as "fascists?"

A: Certainly not. When we use the term we are virtually always referring to the adherents of the specific social-political doctrine on which Benito Mussolini founded his governmental system in Italy--that is Fascist with a capital "F." Although it may not seem important to the liberal, there is a profound difference between National Socialism and Fascism.

Q: But I thought that both Fascism and National Socialism were highly centralized, authoritarian and strongly nationalistic forms of government, with only slight differences between the ways they operated.

A: You have been reading too many textbooks written by liberals. Certainly the Fascist state and the National Socialist movement are authoritarian, and they both have a strong social basis. Furthermore, both Adolf Hitler's National Socialist government and Mussolini's Fascist government administered most of their programs for national and social renewal on a centralized, nationwide basis. Both governments brought forth immense popular enthusiasm, which was manifested in numerous public demonstrations and celebrations. All these things contributed to a seeming similarity. But the differences betwen the two systems are by no means slight!

Q: What are some of these differences?

A: The really fundamental difference lies in the role of the state and the race under each system.

In Mussolini's word's:
"The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state--a synthesis and a unit of all values--interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people...It is not the nation that generates the state...Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people...In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative..."

To the National Socialist, on the other hand, it is our Race, not the state, which is all-important. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote:
"The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar creatures... States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten monstrosities in fact." (II:2)
There are many important consequences of this basic difference in attitudes. For example, under Fascism anyone, regardless of racial background can be a citizen, as long as he accepts his responsibility to the state. Under National Socialism, on the other hand, membership in the racial community is the first requirement of citizenship.

(Source: WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, number 11, January-February 1970, p. 5)

==============================

Comments by James Harting: Apart from theoretical considerations that Dr. Pierce discusses, historically Fascism was notoriously weak on the crucial issues of Race and the Jewish Question. This is true both of Mussolini's original and of knock-off copies, such as that of Sir Oswald Mosely.

From 1914 through 1935, Mussolini's mistress, confidant and political advisor was Margherita Sarfatti, a wealthy Italian Jewish intellectual. She undoubtedly influenced Fascist doctrine and policies during this period, and was probably responsible for the Duce's initial hostility to National-Socialism and the Hitler movement.

A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint. Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini's neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.

I am aware that the attitudes and policies towards Race and the Jews were markedly better during the second incarnation of Fascism, that of the Italian Social Republic of 1944-45. Under pressure from the Germans, either direct or indirect, the Fascists made an attempt to bring themelves into line with the Hitlerian New Order. But it was too little, too late.

On the fringes of the Fascist movement, Baron Julius Evola (1898-1974) made an effort to provide Fascism with an ideological racial underpinning, but his effort fell way short of what was needed. Evola's theories are based on a "spiritual" racialism that is at odds with National-Socialist scientific, biological racialism. At the instruction of Heinrich Himmler, Evola's theories were investigated by the SS and formally rejected as non-NS.

I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as "small-f" fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling's Nasjonal Sammling in Norway. Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others--and miles apart from the Hitler movement. Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.

Note on the Movement career of Dr. Pierce: William Pierce's Movement career may be divided into three periods:
Early -- From the early 1960s through the assassination of Lincoln Rockwell in 1967. During this period, he served as a consultant to Commander Rockwell, and produced the first issues of National Socialist World, but otherwise his active involvement in the Movement was minimal.
Middle -- From 1968 to 1970, Dr. Pierce played an active role in the National Socialist White People's Party, of which he was a member and leading officer, and of the World Union of National Socialists, of which he was the General Secretary.
Late -- Following his dismissal from the NSWPP and WUNS in 1970, he took over and then re-molded the National Youth Alliance, which he later renamed the National Alliance. During this long and productive period of Movement involvement, he authored four books, made numerous American Dissident Voices broadcasts, gave innumerable speeches and wrote countless articles, essays and editorials.

During the first two periods, when he supported the American Nazi Party/NSWPP, he openly identified himself as a National-Socialist, and his writings were explicitly NS. During the third period, he no longer publicly identified himself as NS, but everything he wrote, said and did was implicitly, although not explictly, National-Socialist.

There is no discontinuity in ideological content between what Pierce first wrote in National Socialist World in 1966 and his American Dissident Voice's broadcasts of 2002. Rather, his words comprise a seamless whole, from the beginning of his involvement with the American Nazi Party to the end of his life. I consider everything that William Pierce produced to be an integral and important part of American National-Socialism, no matter what the period was in which he produced it.

Note that Dr. Pierce's explanation of differences between National Socialism and Fascism from 1966 first appeared here on White Biocentrism nearly ten years ago, then on NationalVanguard.com: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=525
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