Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

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Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by Will Williams » Sat Jan 07, 2023 6:55 pm

The man that changed the game entirely, who wielded such influence that his ideas are still imitated by modern militaries around the world. You should know his name, there are grand statues erected and majestic paintings adorning hallowed walls, all echoing this genius whose battles and legendary finale campaign are still studied to this day.

The father of light infantry warfare, the master of infantry doctrine, the young Scottish officer who took one look at Napoleonic military doctrine, and decided soldiers standing around in neat lines, and marching around battlefields in columns containing thousands of soldiers, was bloody stupid.

He stands alone in his glory.
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General Sir John Moore, 1761–1809.
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As a talented young Scottish officer, Moore fought in a campaign called the Penobscot Expedition in 1779, against the early United States. This was an invaluable experience, Moore fought and defeated the US marines, he admired their green uniforms that offered a degree of camouflage, and Moore noticed that soldiers fighting in uneven terrain, naturally used cover and moved in a manner that avoided standing in the open, and falling victim to easy shots.

John Moore, then a Lieutenant, led his small detachment of professional British soldiers, to demolish all that challenged his small force. The United States sent a large army to remove the isolated British force, but after a few days fighting, the US army was shockingly routed and most of the US fleet was lost.

Over his career, Sir John Moore would introduce many groundbreaking advances to military doctrine, ideas that forever changed light infantry warfare and have been adopted by militaries across the world; ‘open-order tactics and mobility in place of rigid drills and ponderous movement; camouflage and concealment in place of serried ranks of red coats; individual marksmanship in place of massed musket fire; and intelligence and self-reliance in place of blind obedience instilled by the fear of brutal punishment.’

Moore is regarded as the greatest trainer of soldiers, in British military history. He is the man who laid the very foundations upon which all modern light infantry warfare is built upon, a new type of soldier, John Moore’s Rifleman.
"Moore's contribution to the British Army was not only that matchless Light Infantry who have ever since enshrined his training, but also the belief that the perfect soldier can only be made by evoking all that is finest in man - physical, mental and spiritual". - Sir Arthur Bryant.
Amusingly, while Moore was building a revolutionary Rifleman training centre, it is said that when new buildings were being constructed at the camp and the architect asked him where the paths should go, he told him to; “Wait some months and see where the men walk, then put the paths there.”

That's not all, John Moore also revolutionised Defensive Fortifications, building and designing arguably the finest small Forts known as - Martello Towers.

The year is 1794 and two Royal Navy warships engaged a small primitive tower fort on the Genoese island of Corsica, after bombarding the little fort for a while, the tower showed minimal damage and continued with much irritation, to fight back.

Finally, General James Moore decided to lead an infantry detachment to neutralise the tower, the experienced officer led his small force of well-trained marines with great skill, fought a gruelling 3-day battle, whereby he was forced to move a large-calibre cannon over difficult terrain to position it within effective range. His cannon breached the little tower and Moore’s troops finally overwhelmed the defenders, and destroyed the Tower.

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Being a rather fiendish gentleman, General Moore took inspiration from this engagement with the tower, he immediately returned to Britain and started designing the ultimate Tower Forts. Moore’s great towers would eventually be built by the hundreds across the British Empire, most still stand today, due to the immense difficulty required in destroying them. Compared to the little tower that tested Moore on that rocky island, Moore’s Martello Towers were far more heavily fortified, with multiple floors and more effective infantry defences, and most of his Towers were built in pairs, with interlocking fire.

Today, General Moore’s Martello Towers stand guard around the world, he named them for the Genoese Island Bay, where he fought a fierce little Tower.

At the Battle of Alexandria, General Moore commanded the British left, his elite force that included the Gloucestershire Regiment and the Black Watch Highlanders fought like demons battling amongst ruins. General Moore patrolled the front lines, shouting orders and reacting to the swirling mayhem of that dusty battlefield with his tactical genius. His exemplary leadership led his outnumbered force to hold their position and defeat a more numerous foe.

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The Gloucestershire Regiment greatly distinguished themselves when they were surrounded by two French units. When the front and rear ranks were simultaneously engaged, the Glosters received the order; "Front rank stay as you are, Rear rank about turn" — They fought with great skill front and rear, defeating the French against the odds. Meanwhile, General Moore oversaw the Blackwatch while they captured the standard of Bonaparte's ‘invincibles’.

I have long argued that General John Moore was potentially the finest Officer of his generation, he built the army that Wellington used to defeat Napoleon, his military doctrine has survived the test of time, and his tower forts stand guard around the world, as resolute monuments to the giant, John Moore.

General Sir John Moore died, knowing that he had achieved his most iconic victory, after his epic retreat to Corunna across Spain, while being repeatedly attacked, his command fought a stunning series of devastating rearguard actions, ambushing and annihilating entire French units. Eventually, Moore reached Corunna with his decent sized army intact, he then turned around with his back to the sea and pulled off a tactical marvel at the Battle of Corunna. Sadly, this relatively young gifted General died alongside some 900 of his command, who fought with great bravely, routing a much larger French army, which lost more than 2000 soldiers just at Corunna.

I’ve always considered John Moore a forgotten giant, I’ve written short stories about his life and no doubt many of my regular readers can recall me prattling on about how Sir John Moore’s life was incredible, how his intelligence led him to achieve lasting greatness, in his short time. Moore would have beaten Napoleon, possibly harder than Wellington… And yes, I’m still shilling for the Gloucestershire Regiment.
Napoleon said of John Moore: 'His talents and firmness alone saved the British army [in Spain] from destruction; he was a brave soldier, an excellent officer, and a man of talent. He made a few mistakes, which were probably inseparable from the difficulties with which he was surrounded.'
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Post by White Man 1 » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:39 pm

The picture of the tower fort the commander manned got my brain moving, remembering another Scottish design that he may have pulled from. The Broch was an iron age type of fort that used two layers of stone walls in a circular pattern, suspending multiple floors and with a tall thatched roof.
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It is estimated that at least seven hundred brochs once existed across Scotland. Now, most of them are rather in a poor state of repair but the most complete brochs that resisted bad weather conditions, strikingly resemble the cooling towers of modern power stations. It is unknown who built the brochs but it has been speculated that their builders were Picts or Danes.

Ingeniously engineered, huge windowless brochs were built with walls approximately 4 meters thick and with an inside floor space of about 10 meters in diameter. Steps were also built into the gap between the walls providing access to upper wooden platforms.

It is likely that the whole structure was covered with a conical, thatched roof. Neither mortar nor buttress were used to construct a broch and it is quite remarkable that a structure – located on a hilltop and exposed to the Atlantic winds and tremendous hurricanes – has survived.

They are the finest example of advanced construction achievements of Iron Age’s European builders and some of them may still be visited, including Clickhimin in Shetland, Carolway on Lewis and the brochs of Mousa, which is mentioned in the ‘Orkneyinga Saga’, one of the most famous and certainly the most specific to Orkney. In the Saga, this impressive broch is called ‘Moseyjar-borg’.

The broch’s name derives from Lowland Scots ‘brough’, and could mean ‘fort’ or fortified house. It has also been suggested that the word ‘broch’ derives from Old Norse and the root word ‘borg’, which later – during the gaelic language dominating northern Scotland – altered to ‘broch’.

Brochs could practically have served several different purposes in different places and at different times. The purpose of the ‘brochs’, however, is not entirely clear; but some historians and archaeologists think the brochs that date from the Iron Age, were defensive military structures. Others have suggested the buildings were farmhouses.

Usually, they had one, small, easily defended entrance leading to a central inner circular “courtyard”. They were formed by two concentric, dry-stone walls, producing a hollow-walled tower with small rooms and storage areas between. Some examples exist of brochs surrounded by clusters of smaller dwellings.

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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by Victor Arminius » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:26 am

I sometimes wonder how the war would be different for the South if Lee had been replaced by Forrest as the commander in chief of the entire army. That being said I am not a Southern Nationalist because in a few decades most of the states of the old Confederacy, especially the lower south, will be majority Black.

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Post by RCavallius » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:43 am

I don't know if he is the most underrated military commander in history, but Adolf Hitler is very underrated as a military commander by those outside of racialist circles.
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Post by White_Vengeance » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:03 pm

Victor Arminius wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:26 am
I sometimes wonder how the war would be different for the South if Lee had been replaced by Forrest as the commander in chief of the entire army. That being said I am not a Southern Nationalist because in a few decades most of the states of the old Confederacy, especially the lower south, will be majority Black.
The fact that some of the original Confederate states MIGHT be majority tootsoon someday is all the more-reason to become a Southern Nationalist. Pro-White activists who are inestimably proud of both their White European heritage and ancestry AND proud to be a Dixie-Rebel-Confederate-Southerner should take a stand for returning the Confederacy to as it was originally intended by the proud, intrepid Southern White men who did the honorable thing and seceded from the hated, despotic, corrupt Yankee empire way back in 1860-1861: returning the Confederacy to a free, sovereign, autonomous, self-governing nation-state.

The only certainty about history is that, until it happens, there is nothing certain--nothing is carved into concrete; nothing is etched in stone. With the rapid and rampant darkening of America as we are continuously swamped with black, brown, red, yellow, and mixed-race filth, trash, and scum that ultimately equates to full-scale multiculturalism; the collapsing economy--an economy whose debt now exceeds $400 trillion (a combined funded and unfunded liability); a border-less nation that allows millions-and-millions of brown scum mestizos free passage into America; the infestation and rot of society and its complete loss of morality and civility; the increasing despotism and tyranny of the corrupt federal government--also known as "The New Red Terror"--the full dispossession and disenfranchisement of the White European race from our homeland and that of our forefathers; and the relentless march of the parasitic jew serpentine-like brainwashing creature, with its tentacles reaching into every nook and cranny of American society, the most practical location in America for the White European race to take a stand is in the original thirteen Confederate states, plus West Virginia and Oklahoma. In those fifteen states we White Europeans will stand face-to-face with our enemies--all of them--and know exactly who we must destroy, eradicate, and totally eviscerate.

I am a proud Dixie-Rebel-Confederate-Southerner and it is here in the Appalachian Mountains of far southwestern North Carolina that I will make my final stand--regardless of how many or how few fellow White warriors choose to join me. Honorable Southerners should be proud of what those esteemed White men did so many decades ago, when they told the despotic, corrupt, hated Yankee empire that they choose to live as free White men, or to die trying.

As America continues its unabated collapse into third-worldism, and ultimately onto the ash heap of all the failed republics throughout history because it failed to interpret all the ominous signs of failure, I am guardedly optimistic that there will be a resurgence--a revitalization--of White pride in the race souls of the White men and White women who comprise the majority population in the South, and we will ultimately prevail with restoring our beloved Dixie to what it was intended way back in 1860-1861--a free, independent, autonomous, self-governing nation-state. We in the Confederacy can do without naysayers, defeatists, and quitters; those types of people abound in most of America.

At this point in my life and in my White Nationalist "career" and I've more than had my fill of naysayers, defeatists, quitters, and others who absolutely refuse to get involved in the fight of our lives--the fight to save and restore the White European race to its former inestimable greatness--citing all sorts and types of excuses (and I've heard them all), but never admitting the two reasons that they TRULY refuse to get involved: abject, complete cowardice and selfishness.
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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by Supremely White » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:29 am

White_Vengeance wrote:
As America continues its unabated collapse into third-worldism, and ultimately onto the ash heap of all the failed republics throughout history because it failed to interpret all the ominous signs of failure, I am guardedly optimistic that there will be a resurgence--a revitalization--of White pride in the race souls of the White men and White women who comprise the majority population in the South, and we will ultimately prevail with restoring our beloved Dixie to what it was intended way back in 1860-1861--a free, independent, autonomous, self-governing nation-state
Guardedly optimistic is how I feel too. While I don’t believe I have any Southern roots that I know of, just Kansas and the rural Midwest as far as I know, the future of our race as I see it, could be…too late for the froggie to jump out of the boiling water (but that’s defeatist), or more optimistically…when you’re down, up is the only way to go.
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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by Supremely White » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:43 am

RCavallius wrote:
Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:43 am
I don't know if he is the most underrated military commander in history, but Adolf Hitler is very underrated as a military commander by those outside of racialist circles.
While there are a number of Southern Nationalists here, as there should be, I am one with the National Socialist mentality and ideal. Herr Hitler is not only underrated, that is an understatement considering that he’s been slandered, demonized, lied about and at the very least, misunderstood ever since his defeat and death, and a dead man can’t refute the victor’s version of it.
However, charismatic and loving towards his Volk and his Deutschland, I hate to say that I wish he could have been a better strategist. He was also betrayed by many, also leading to Germany’s defeat.
But I love him, and have a banner of him above my headboard, next to my swastika flag.
I look in the list of emoticons, now called emoji’s, and I can find the Christian cross, the yin and yang, the Muslim crescent and 2 different types of stars of David, but nowhere is an emoji of a swastika to be found. The tentacles of the enemy are everywhere indeed.
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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by PhuBai68 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:19 pm

Victor Arminius wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:26 am
I sometimes wonder how the war would be different for the South if Lee had been replaced by Forrest as the commander in chief of the entire army. That being said I am not a Southern Nationalist because in a few decades most of the states of the old Confederacy, especially the lower south, will be majority Black.
I remember reading "somewhere" (or maybe saw it on some history show) that one of Lee's generals advised him to just bypass Gettysburg and to a direct attack on Washington, obviously Lee didn't listen.
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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by Will Williams » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:58 pm

PhuBai68 wrote:
Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:19 pm
Victor Arminius wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:26 am
I sometimes wonder how the war would be different for the South if Lee had been replaced by Forrest as the commander in chief of the entire army. That being said I am not a Southern Nationalist because in a few decades most of the states of the old Confederacy, especially the lower south, will be majority Black.
I remember reading "somewhere" (or maybe saw it on some history show) that one of Lee's generals advised him to just bypass Gettysburg and to a direct attack on Washington, obviously Lee didn't listen.
Forrest was a great leader, by example. He once said, "Christianity is a fine religion, for women." :lol: Lee, on the other hand, a devout Christian, was a superior military tactician but turned out to be a failed leader. He was a quitter; he gave up his army and his cause for lost. :cry:

I was listening to Dr. Pierce's "Scalp Dance" yesterday on volume 3 of our Power of Truth CD series. A leader he mentioned in that ADV from 22 years ago who also led by example: from a member of Hitler Youth at 17 to Luftwaffe Colonel, he was not only the greatest pilot of WWII -- shot down 30 times! -- but was a courageous post-war National Socialist activist:

One of the outstanding combat pilots of all time was Hans Ulrich Rudel. He logged more than 2,500 combat missions during the Second World War and was the most highly decorated pilot of that war. He sank a Soviet battleship, and he destroyed more than 500 Soviet tanks. He was shot down behind Soviet lines several times and was severely wounded. He finished the war flying with only one leg.

When he was down behind enemy lines, surrounded by Red Army troops advancing with submachine guns, his gunner surrendered and then perished in the gulag. But Rudel never surrendered, no matter how hopeless the situation seemed. His motto was: “Only he is lost who gives himself up for lost.”

It is a motto that it would be well for us to ponder who believe that the Jews are so powerful that we never can force them to remove their fangs from our necks and then get them off our backs. “Only he is lost who gives himself up for lost.”
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Re: Who is the most underrated military commander in History?

Post by PhuBai68 » Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:25 pm

Will Williams wrote:
Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:58 pm
One of the outstanding combat pilots of all time was Hans Ulrich Rudel. He logged more than 2,500 combat missions during the Second World War and was the most highly decorated pilot of that war. He sank a Soviet battleship, and he destroyed more than 500 Soviet tanks. He was shot down behind Soviet lines several times and was severely wounded. He finished the war flying with only one leg.

When he was down behind enemy lines, surrounded by Red Army troops advancing with submachine guns, his gunner surrendered and then perished in the gulag. But Rudel never surrendered, no matter how hopeless the situation seemed. His motto was: “Only he is lost who gives himself up for lost.”

It is a motto that it would be well for us to ponder who believe that the Jews are so powerful that we never can force them to remove their fangs from our necks and then get them off our backs. “Only he is lost who gives himself up for lost.
Somewhere I have the book Stuka Pilot but after two moves in twenty years lord only knows where it is.

When Hans finally surrendered an American GI grabbed for his medal, if I remember correctly also his wristwatch.
I believe a fine wristwatch was given to German youth when they made their confirmation.
Sad what we did to the German people, so much for the Monroe Doctrine.
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