The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Will Williams » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:21 am

Bump, if only for the interesting maps.

A new Alliance members asked me recently, "Why is the NA's National Office located in Tennessee when Tennessee has so may Blacks?" Majority non-White Memphis is not representative at all of Upper East Tennessee, or southern Appalachia.

Will Williams wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:29 pm
Old Aardvark wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:02 am
I believe it is a matter of time before North and South Carolina split into separate parts. Both states have majority black populations in their eastern coastal areas, and both also have significant black populations in their central regions. Western North Carolina and Upstate South Carolina are still predominantly white...

You've got the right idea, Old Aardvark, but your suggested area for a White secessionist region is limited. I grew up in Raleigh, NC, and east of there generally is known known as Black Carolina and west of Raleigh is generally known as White Carolina. South Carolina may be majority Black by now, but NW SC is majority White. But so is SW Virginia, most of West Virginia and parts of several states that share southern Appalachia. I live in Tennessee now and East TN is White, whereas west of Nashville is Black Tennessee.

This thread about possibilities for Whites seceding from the failed multiracial experiment called the United States and forming its own exclusive region started out on topic but got away from us, as you can see. But go back to the opening posts, and especially to this revealing map:


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Notice Kentucky and northern parts of Arkansas, north Georgia and Mississippi, the NE section of Texas even southern parts of Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa. There is practically a White majority corridor down through Alabama and the Florida panhandle to the Gulf of Mexico. Another possible corridor along the NC/SC border to the Atlantic Ocean exists.

Cleansing these areas will be messy business, but there is certainly historical precedent if there is the will in our people to fight and survive in our own exclusive living space in accord with Nature's highest law: preservation. Secession might begin in the historic State of Franklin area and expand outward into other White counties that want to be a part of a new White nation.


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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Agai

Post by Supremely White » Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:20 pm

Will Williams wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:54 pm
Will Williams wrote:Bump!
Speaking of the NSM, this is an example of why the National Alliance does not associate with such ill-advised "Movement" groups:

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Neo-Nazi group's leader is black
man who vows to dissolve it
Feb 28, 2019
Associated Press [...]
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"Neo-Nazi" Fuhrer James Stern


More about this pathetic case of the Negro leader of the National Socialist Movement, here: https://www.theoaklandpress.com/news/st ... 835af.html

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His last name was Stern? If you hadn’t said he was negroid, I’d have figured they let some obvious jew infiltrate.
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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Agai

Post by Supremely White » Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:34 pm

Wade Hampton III wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:26 pm
Please do not overlook the terrain of the northwest corner of SC. The land is mountainous and the high altitude
is favorable to Caucasians. For reasons unknown to me, the thin rarefied atmosphere seems unamenable to
darkies and Gooks. The land would not be favorable to agriculture, but industrious Caucasians could utilize it
for manufacturing and research.
I’m only of European origin, not a darkie nor a gook, even though some think I bear some resemblance to Heinrich Himmler, but for the life of me, when I visited Asheville in 2006 with a rental car, I couldn’t stay for the week I’d reserved, because I didn’t know I was susceptible to altitude sickness. Oxygen to my brain cut off, dizziness, dry heaves an inability to think. So I then moseyed onto Charlotte and felt like my usual self. Yeah, more darkies, and therefore some sexual harassment from those lazy loiterers. But, I found it a bit refreshing that a few vestiges of segregation remained.

The most racially aware WNs I have talked to live in the mountains. I wish I could without getting impaired. I wonder if altitude sickness is something that can be overcome by more exposure to it.
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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Agai

Post by Thomas S NJ » Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:57 pm

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:34 pm

I’m only of European origin, not a darkie nor a gook, even though some think I bear some resemblance to Heinrich Himmler…
This confuses me. Are you saying Himmler had afroasiatic blood, or that he was good at higher altitudes than you?
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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Victor Arminius » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:52 pm

Why come up with bizarre names for proposed Ethno-States? What is wrong with the Greater Appalachian Republic? Or simply The White Republic or the White People's Republic, or simply the Free White Republic. I have also heard advanced Ozarkia and New Albion. Personally, I like WW's suggestion of the White Imperium except that I would put a "United" in front of it. (The United White Imperium) The thing about history is that it often expresses itself in ways not foreseen by political or intelligent operatives. Consider the fall of the Soviet Union, the reunification of Germany, the rise of Islamic terrorism, and the sudden appearance of AIDS and the Coronavirus caught the world by surprise like a storm in the night. The political breakup of the United States is inevitable. No nation can long endure when it insources its technical and professional labor and outsources its industrial base especially when it insists on open borders and a fiat money system. Constantine had to break up the Roman Empire into two parts because, like the United States, it became overextended and was too big and too diverse to govern itself effectively.

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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Jim Mathias » Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:47 am

Victor Arminius wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:52 pm
Why come up with bizarre names for proposed Ethno-States? What is wrong with the Greater Appalachian Republic? Or simply The White Republic or the White People's Republic, or simply the Free White Republic. I have also heard advanced Ozarkia and New Albion. Personally, I like WW's suggestion of the White Imperium except that I would put a "United" in front of it. (The United White Imperium) The thing about history is that it often expresses itself in ways not foreseen by political or intelligent operatives. Consider the fall of the Soviet Union, the reunification of Germany, the rise of Islamic terrorism, and the sudden appearance of AIDS and the Coronavirus caught the world by surprise like a storm in the night. The political breakup of the United States is inevitable. No nation can long endure when it insources its technical and professional labor and outsources its industrial base especially when it insists on open borders and a fiat money system. Constantine had to break up the Roman Empire into two parts because, like the United States, it became overextended and was too big and too diverse to govern itself effectively.
I would propose that coming up with names is an idea meant to spur the imagination to think of secession as a possibility, Victor. To achieve the result, the idea has to be there first. I don't care to get into naming much further than that, it's much more important to bring resourceful and talented Whites and their mates with civilization building or maintaining skills of a wide variety in to help make a White ethnostate a reality.
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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Will Williams » Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:48 am

For what it is worth I received this notification, celebrating the secessionist State of Franklin:

Franklin is the state that almost was. Tipton-Haynes Historic Site will host a reenactment battle to celebrate East Tennessee’s history and the lost State of Franklin, which located its capital in Jonesborough and later Greeneville over the course of its four-year existence.

Tipton-Haynes will host a celebration of the State of Franklin and the 1788 battle from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 24. Visitors will learn of the failed state, why it didn’t come to be and the battle that was fought on the property of Col. John Tipton. Local reenactors from the Overmountain Men of Sycamore Shoals State Historic Park will be on the historic grounds for visitors to learn about the formation of the State of Franklin, late 1700s weapons demonstrations and a recreation of the battle between neighbors.

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Reenactors will help tell the story of East Tennessee’s lost State of Franklin.

At 10:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m., there will be a showing of “The Mysterious Lost State of Franklin” documentary. Highlighting the day will be a reenactment at 2 p.m. of the 236-year-old battle between the forces of Col. John Tipton and Gov. John Sevier.

The historic home of the Tipton and Haynes families will be open for visitors to tour. Guests can also take a relaxing stroll along the site’s quarter-mile nature trail or go spelunking in the site’s ancient cave. There will also be several local demonstrators, as well as food and craft vendors.

For more information, call 423-926-3631 or email [email protected]. Tipton-Haynes State Historic Site is located at 2620 S. Roan St., Johnson City.

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Will Williams wrote:
Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:38 pm
This article is not from the Industrial Age, but perhaps we can form a new section for Secessionist Movements.

http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/com ... /218/entry

The State of Franklin: Mountain Secession and Independent Thought

In North Carolina, regionalism has existed since day one. In August 1784, western North Carolinians established the State of Franklin—“the only de facto state that functioned in every aspect of statal power,” writes historian Samuel Cole Williams. After a civil war in the mountains, however, the “Lost State of Franklin” ceased in February 1789.

During the 1780s, North Carolina was under the Articles of Confederation (the Constitution was drafted in 1787 and ratified by all 13 original colonies by 1789). At that time, “western North Carolina” stretched from the Appalachian Mountains to the Mississippi River.

Soon after the establishment of the state of North Carolina in 1776, North Carolina mountaineers believed the state government always looked eastward. The irresponsive government of North Carolina angered those in the transmontane region (most lived along the Watauga and Nolichucky rivers); it offered no protection from the dangers of the frontier and used taxes to benefit primarily the eastern part of the state. Plus, Franklinites later argued, its seat was too far away for western North Carolinians to send delegates for timely representation.

These problems irritated mountaineers more, when they remembered that they shouldered the onerous burden of fighting to secure western land—land that the state sold to pay off its Revolutionary War debt. In particular, after the “Land Grab Act” (c. 1783) opened western land for sale, western North Carolinians alleged land warrant fraud; legislators and their business partners acquired land warrants for three of the four million acres sold.

The State of Franklin received its first breath in 1784, when the North Carolina legislature ceded its land to the federal government. Already upset with their state government, Washington, Sullivan, and Greene countians, in what would become Tennessee, decided to start their own state and stretch its borders westward and issue land warrants. Meanwhile, angry North Carolina voters replaced their representatives with a legislative body that repealed the act of cession.

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The State of Franklin in Upper East Tennessee

Although North Carolina did not recognize its statehood, Franklin operated for almost five years like any other state. It granted, for example, land warrants and marriage licenses and built roads. Franklin leaders even negotiated treaties with the Cherokee and in the state’s waning days, they sought to be annexed by Spain. John Sevier, a former leader of the Watauga Association (the first autonomous white government in the British colonies) and leader of the Wataugans at the Battle of King’s Mountain, served as the first governor.

After a series of problems, including a congressional rejection for statehood and warfare with the Cherokee, many in Franklin, under the direction of John Tipton, called for a return to North Carolina. The denouement in Franklin’s story was in 1788, when a North Carolina sheriff seized Sevier’s property for back taxes. The Franklin Army marched to Tipton’s home where a skirmish, called the Battle of Franklin, ensued. Later arrested for treason and jailed in Morganton, Sevier was rescued by his followers who tried to form, south of the French Broad River, what they called Lesser Franklin.

In February 1789 the leaders of Franklin pledged allegiance to North Carolina. The Tar Heel State, now rid of its competition, ceded its western land to the United States and thereby acquired authority over all legal claims to North Carolina land warrants.

The State of Franklin provided the nucleus of Tennessee, established in 1796. John Sevier was its first governor.

Many have criticized the Franklinites and their act of secession. But they embodied the noble spirit of the American Revolution. These western North Carolinians tried, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, to “abolish a destructive government” that had abused their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and tried to “institute [a] new Government” that was most likely to “effect their Safety and Happiness.”

By Troy L. Kickler, founding director of the North Carolina History Project
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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Victor Arminius » Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:43 pm

Nothing lasts forever including the Global American Empire. The Ottoman Empire fell and became the nations of North Africa and the Middle East. I remember a State Department official named George Kennon who opposed any attempt to destroy the Soviet Union by force. His reasoning was it was contrary to natural law or the natural order and any nation that attempts to live contrary to that would sooner or later fall of its own accord. At least in this reality the United States has managed to piss off just about every nation on the planet. I suspect there are high officials in Russia (like its president) who would love to see a serious secessionist movement in the United States. They probably would help if they thought it was viable as it would be payback time. Remember the American colonials fought with Britian in the French and Indian war against the hated French. They when the revolution started American colonialists knew they were no march for the Royal Navy and quickly allied with France, its once hated enemy, to secure the independence of the 13 colonies. Should we do any less when the very existence of our race is in question? We should have no shortage of allies thanks to America's foreign policy and constant regime changes and never-ending wars which has destabilized the world! Historically Russia is always looking for a warm water port so that its navy is not iced in...

PS Read American Nations: A History of The Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America by Colin Woodard.

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Re: The Secessionist State of Franklin -- Can it Happen Again?

Post by Will Williams » Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:37 pm

Victor Arminius wrote:
Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:43 pm
Nothing lasts forever including the Global American Empire. The Ottoman Empire fell and became the nations of North Africa and the Middle East. I remember a State Department official named George Kennon who opposed any attempt to destroy the Soviet Union by force. His reasoning was it was contrary to natural law or the natural order and any nation that attempts to live contrary to that would sooner or later fall of its own accord. At least in this reality the United States has managed to piss off just about every nation on the planet. I suspect there are high officials in Russia (like its president) who would love to see a serious secessionist movement in the United States. They probably would help if they thought it was viable as it would be payback time. Remember the American colonials fought with Britian in the French and Indian war against the hated French. They when the revolution started American colonialists knew they were no march for the Royal Navy and quickly allied with France, its once hated enemy, to secure the independence of the 13 colonies. Should we do any less when the very existence of our race is in question? We should have no shortage of allies thanks to America's foreign policy and constant regime changes and never-ending wars which has destabilized the world! Historically Russia is always looking for a warm water port so that its navy is not iced in...

PS Read American Nations: A History of The Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America by Colin Woodard.
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...There is dangerous mainstream delusion about the need to adhere to some allies. It is a manifestation of herd mentality. People fear to be alone and always try to ally themselves with someone. Seeing an enemy in the American ruling elite, the right-wing conservatives invented themselves an ally in the form of Putinist Russia. And vice versa, there are many Russians who hate Putinist system and think that USA is their ally. These people fear to act and think independently. They fear to take full responsibility on themselves. This burden is too heavy for their puny mainstream minds.

On the contrary, we must be happy to carry this burden. We can and we must act as independent actors, without allying ourselves with any alien entities, but using their quarrels to our advantage.

The greater the storm the greater the opportunities. We have nothing to preserve in the modern world. We have nothing to pity about. We must welcome its destruction because it is the only way for White renewal.
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