Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

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Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Mike G » Sat May 16, 2015 8:03 pm

I am about to start it tonight, I am just finishing up Serpents Walk.

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Supremely White » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:30 am

I’ll have to look for it. The only English translation I’ve found in a web search was by Gerhard L. Weinberg, also for Hitler’s Table Talks, but, I don’t know, about this Weinberg writer, whether it’s a proper translation for anything Hitler. On Conan O’Brien, there’s (((Max Weinberg))) and the Max Weinberg Seven, so I need to be sure that the book isn’t vilifying the author himself. Just like how Thomas Dalton did the best translation of Mein Kampf.
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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Douglas Mercer » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:52 am

There is no need to refute the opinion that just because a fusion of peoples of different nationalities has taken place in the American Union, this must also be possible in Europe. The American Union, to be sure, has brought people of different nationalities together into a young nation. But closer scrutiny discloses that the overwhelming majority of these different ethnic groups racially belong to similar or at least related basic elements. For since the emigration process in Europe was a selection of the fittest, this fitness in all European peoples lying primarily in the Nordic admixture, the American Union, in fact, has drawn to itself the scattered Nordic elements from among peoples who were very different as such. The American Union's power of assimilation has failed vis-à-vis the Chinese as well as vis-à-vis the Japanese element. They also sense this well and know it, and therefore they would best prefer to exclude these alien bodies from immigration. That the American Union feels itself to be a Nordic-German state and in no way an international mishmash of peoples further emerges from the manner in which it allots immigration quotas to European nations. Scandinavians, that is, Swedes, Norwegians, further Danes, then English-men, and finally Germans, are allotted the greatest contingents. Romanians and Slavs very little, Japanese and Chinese they would prefer to exclude altogether.--Adolf Hitler

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Douglas Mercer » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:53 am

There now appears as a dynamic actor in world history a new state which, as a truly European colony, has for centuries received the best Nordic forces of Europe by way of emigration; aided by the community of their original blood, these have built a new, fresh community of the highest racial value. It is no accident that the American Union is the state in which at the present time most inventions are being made by far, some of which are of an incredible boldness. Americans, as a young, racially select people, confront old Europe which has continually lost much of its best blood through war and emigration. Just as little as one can equate the accomplishment of one thousand degenerate Levantines in Europe, say in Crete, with the accomplishment of one thousand racially still more valuable Germans or Englishmen, so can one just as little equate the accomplishment of one thousand racially questionable Europeans to the capacity of one thousand racially highly valuable Americans. Only a conscious Völkisch race policy would be able to save European nations from losing the law of action to America, in consequence of the inferior value of European peoples vis-à-vis the American people.--Adolf Hitler

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Supremely White » Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:44 pm

I recently checked the book out from the library, and I’ve started to read it, but it’s already pissing me off. I had a feeling that anything by Hitler edited (shat upon) by a Jew would be quite unpleasant. I hope that someday there will be a version translated and edited by someone who doesn’t have an axe to grind with The Author. I’m not sure if I want to read more than a chapter before returning it, but I do need to skip the rest of the kvetching aka Weinberg’s foreword because this negative portrayal is more than I can stand. Having a kike edit anything by Hitler is a conflict of interest, but I guess he got away with it because they own most of the publishing houses?
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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Volker Zorn » Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:52 am

The first thing is to stop speculating over the ethnicity of Gerhard Weinberg – his Wikipedia page plainly states that he is a Jew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Weinberg). In fact, he is a very jewy Jew, and a second-tier academic who has made a minor career for himself trying to convince the world how horrible Adolf Hitler was.

His translation of the Zweites Buch appeared in 2003 but it was not the first English version of Hitler’s unpublished manuscript. That honor goes to Salvator Attanasio. His translation appeared in 1961 (Grove Press Inc., New York).

I have both translations in my library and have compared them: they are nearly identical. Indeed, they are so similar that an uncharitable person might even suspect Weinberg of plagiarizing the earlier translator. For what it’s worth, the Weinberg translation reads a little more smoothly.

Some people of a conspiratorial mindset have suggested that the Zweities Buch is a hoax or forgery, like the so-called “Hitler Diaries” of the 1980s. However, I believe that the manuscript is legitimate. There is nothing in the book that is inconsistent with Hitlerian thought as expressed in Mein Kampf, in his speeches or in the Table Talks. It consists almost entirely of Hitler elaborating on themes and subjects that appear in the previously mentioned works.

It is interesting and useful, for example, to read, in chapter two, Hitler’s thoughts on eugenics in ancient Sparta, which he describes as “the first folkish state” (per Attanasio; Weinberg translates it as “racialist state”). And in chapter nine, we have Hitler's scathing dismissal of Count Coudenhove-Kalegri, whom AH castigates as "the biggest bastard in the world."

The real problem with the Zweites Buch – and it is a real problem – is that it is a rough draft of an incomplete manuscript that Hitler never authorized for publication. Thus, it cannot be said to represent Hitler’s views in a considered and definitive manner.

Even with Mein Kampf, which is a definitive statement of Hitlerian thought, there are differences between the content of the earlier editions and that of the later editions, as Hitler reconsidered his initial statements in places.

For example, in the later editions, Hitler had this to say about the Aryan settlement of the New World:
“In North America, where the population is predominantly Germanic, and where those elements intermingled with the colored peoples only to a very small degree, there is a different humanity and culture than those of Central and South America. In these latter countries, the Latin immigrants mated with the aborigines, sometimes on a large scale. In this case we have a clear and decisive example of the effect of racial mixing. But in North America, the Germanic element, which has remained racially pure and unmixed, has come to dominate the American continent. And he will remain master, as long as that element doesn’t fall victim to a defiling of the blood.” (Dalton bilingual parallel text translation, p. 531, my emphasis).
But in the earlier editions of the book, the final sentence read, “And he will remain master, until that element falls victim to a defiling of the blood.”

So, clearly, at the beginning of his career Hitler had a more pessimistic view of the Germanic future of North America: he expected it eventually to be destroyed by race-mixing.

This more optimistic (or at least equivocal) consideration of America is reflected in the Zweites Buch, as noted by Douglas Mercer above. But by 1942, his appraisal had taken a darker and more realistic turn. He is quoted in the Table Talks as saying:
“I don't see much future for the Americans. In my view, it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities. Those were what caused the downfall of Rome... [M]y feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance ... Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?” (January 7, 1942, evening)
(N.B.: He says Americanism, not Americans.)

And so this is the problem with the Zweites Buch: it contains Hitler’s initial impression of many things – but what would he have written later in his life, after further reflection and experience?

Like the Table Talks, the Zweites Buch is valuable in so far as it elaborates on Hitler’s verified views, but it should not be used as a sole, stand-alone source.

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Douglas Mercer » Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:23 am

Volker Zorn: Fascinating information--thank you.

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Supremely White » Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:12 pm

Thank you, Mr. Zorn. I will skip past the jewy foreword and read it until it’s due back. If you went so far as to own it and the nonjew (oops, capitalized J, I’m not a member, so I don’t have the handbook to remind me, but the Chairman will, so I’ll try to behave) original translation, you’re more charitable indeed, but I understand that you would have an interest in all things Hitler, which is pretty cool.
I’ve been trying to get my hands on Table Talks, but have had it on back order from thrift books for over a year now. I’ll keep a look out for it.
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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by White_Vengeance » Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:45 pm

Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:12 pm
If you went so far as to own it and the nonjew (oops, capitalized J, I’m not a member, so I don’t have the handbook to remind me, but the Chairman will, so I’ll try to behave) original translation, you’re more charitable indeed, but I understand that you would have an interest in all things Hitler, which is pretty cool.
Supremely White, we National Alliance members currently do not have an official National Alliance handbook. I discussed this with our Chairman last year, 2022, and he mentioned that at sometime in the future an updated handbook might see the light of day. I seem to recall that "back in the days"--well before I became a National Alliance member--our organization DID have an official handbook.

Did I hear you correctly, when you stated that you are NOT a National Alliance member? As we say in the South, "shazam...strike me blind, deaf, and dumb." I thought for certain that you were a full-fledged member of the National Alliance. I even recall discussing our membership status with you last summer, 2022, and I was certain that you stated you WERE a member of the National Alliance. Did I misunderstand your position?
Any White person who can see the threat to the future of the White race today and who refuses, whether from cowardice or selfishness, to stand up for his/her people does not deserve to be counted among them.

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Re: Zweites Buch Unpublished Sequel to Mein Kampf

Post by Supremely White » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:27 am

sonsofboston wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:52 am
Supremely White wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:12 pm
Thank you, Mr. Zorn. I will skip past the jewy foreword and read it until it’s due back. If you went so far as to own it and the nonjew (oops, capitalized J, I’m not a member, so I don’t have the handbook to remind me, but the Chairman will, so I’ll try to behave) original translation, you’re more charitable indeed, but I understand that you would have an interest in all things Hitler, which is pretty cool.
I’ve been trying to get my hands on Table Talks, but have had it on back order from thrift books for over a year now. I’ll keep a look out for it.
https://ia800203.us.archive.org/24/item ... leTalk.pdf

Is this what you are looking for?

Perhaps we can ask our Chairman if he might relay a message to Dr. Thomas Dalton, that Dalton’s talents would be greatly appreciated if he translated both Zweites Buch and Table Talks.

https://www.thomasdaltonphd.com/
Dankeschön, sonsofboston, for the link to Table Talks.
I got in touch with the publishing house, Clemens & Blair, who replied soon and said that the idea has been under consideration for a while, because it doesn’t go into the JQ until the last chapter, but that at some point, Dalton might consider doing an edition of it.
As I noticed on Dalton’s site, it’s back to school time, so he’ll probably be too busy for a while to work on books.
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