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[Will Williams]

The Occidental Observer (TOO) is the online version of Dr. Kevin MacDonald's outstanding quarterly journal, The Occidental Quarterly, featuring the writings of a number of outstanding scholars who write about matters of race from the White perspective. Comments are allowed under recent articles there.

I signed up last month to comment under Dr. Thomas Dalton's "Jesus the Jew" that was also republished on our online magazine, NationalVanguard.org. KMac has had some difficulty with putting up comments lately on TOO, but he managed to put this one up, submitted by me on 31 May under a different article: https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2 ... nt-part-2/

Abel Wolfgang says on May 29, 2023:
Very good reading about prof Mr Martin. I always knew there are wise black men and that it’s because of the jews why black communities are like they are today.
If only if only black people, white people, Muslim, Christian would unite in fight against the enemy as I believe they are. Especially Christians, I hear so many say the Muslim is the enemy and hear it makes me sick when they then bow down and worship the Jew. They say but they’re the chosen ones, God will save them, ECT. ECT. It makes me want to puke.

Will W Williams replies on May 31, 2023: If only if only black people, white people, Muslim, Christian would unite in fight against the enemy as I believe they are…
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You say you believe Jews are the enemy and that it makes you want to puke because Whites, “especially Christian” ones, Blacks and Muslims do not unite against the Jews.

Is the White race worth preserving, or not, Abel? Yes or no?

If you answer yes, you must come to realize and admit that uniting with Blacks will not help serious White preservationists. We must separate from them. It’s doable for those of us with the will and determination to do so.

And to unite with Christians who worship the mythical Jew tribal god Jehovah, and Muslims, mostly non-White, who worship the same Jew god, known to them as Allah, will never help defeat the enemy that you at least rightly recognize to be Jews.

Puking won’t help change these facts any more than will praying to Jehovah, or Yahweh, of whatever you want to call the imaginary spook up in the sky. Facing the reality that our problem is biological is step one, and separating from Jews, Blacks and others who can’t make White babies is the ultimate solution. We will either convert Whites who oppose this solution, including universalist hymn singers, to racial reality or cut them loose. That includes the LGBT community and other Whites who oppose our bottom line. You may think that is unchristian, but it is necessary if we are to preserve our Aryan people. Fact!

Members and Alliance supporters who will be receiving their May issue of our NA BULLETIN in the mail this week will notice this comment is featured as an example of how to present our NA solution of strict separation of our race from others to a subset of White race-thinkers.

[fluxmaster]

Will, do you have Theology access on Stormfront? I posted a link to that article in the Theology section. Perhaps you'd like to weigh in over there. Considering the number of Christian Identity people over at Stormfront, though, you may consider it a waste of your time.

[Will Williams]

Will, do you have Theology access on Stormfront? I posted a link to that article in the Theology section. Perhaps you'd like to weigh in over there. Considering the number of Christian Identity people over at Stormfront, though, you may consider it a waste of your time.

Thanks for the alert Flux, but I'll pass on arguing with the christlings on SF. Found the topic you started: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1387869-9/ Good Job, drawing out the boobs -- nine pages of comments in less than a week.

I'd prefer you'd linked to "Jesus the Jew" at NV instead of from TOO, but that's OK. Maybe one of ours will weigh in there and link to the 24 Dalton titles we feature on our bookstore: https://cosmotheistchurch.org/product-c ... as-dalton/


IOTBW
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Re: Jesus the Jew

Originally Posted by fluxmaster View Post
The General Theology section is for debate across theological lines. Such debate had been forbidden in the past, but the rules have been loosened up, and it is now permitted. I understand that most Christians may resent the title of the thread, and that is regrettable, but many non-Christians find it offensive to claim that Jesus was an Aryan. There is much more posting here claiming Jesus to have been Aryan than the reverse, even outside the Theology section, and such posting is permitted, so I don't think a thread or two claiming the opposite is out of line.

I'm not here to please the non Christian. However , as you know I support a Free Speech Stormfront ; so , carry on ; please.
Jesus is an Aryan ; again why should we listen to sub Adamics? Why does their opine matter to the Orthodox or CI?

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I suppose this nut is saying you and Dalton are "sub-Adamics." Adamic is CI lingo claiming Whites are related to that Jew Adam in the mythical Garden of Eden, and have the ability to blush, unlike non-Whites. I blush just reading this crap on a supposedly pro-White Website.

I generally ignore these anti-NA bastards and have 50 or more on my Ignore list. One, the insufferable NWFreedom, a Covingtonista, was finally banned on SF a week or two ago.

[White Man 1]

Arguing with xtians is a non starter, akin to beating your head against a brick wall. The astute few will see clear to understanding the truth eventually, but by and large they will do so on their own accord, not by watching people have at each other's throats over closely held beliefs that they won't change.

[Will Williams]

Arguing with xtians is a non starter, akin to beating your head against a brick wall. The astute few will see clear to understanding the truth eventually, but by and large they will do so on their own accord, not by watching people have at each other's throats over closely held beliefs that they won't change.

Posting "Jesus the Jew" to SF is not arguing. No Alliance members participated in that topic that I could see, but, admittedly, I only looked at what was on the first page or so. My point is that those there who agreed with Dalton should be exposed to NA sites. Forget those who can't shake their spiritual baggage and put it ahead of racial loyalty.

I had joined the SF site soon after it went online around early 1996. Most of my comments were exposing Christianity as unsuitable for Aryans, and promoting either Creativity or Cosmotheism, or both, as alternatives. It caused such an uproar among Christians that Don Black created Stormfront-Religion that eventually evolved into Theology. I left SF for several years soon after. Then, later, "Cosmotheism and Creators" was created, lumped together as one of the subforums of Theology to further isolate and corral those two non-Christian creeds away from their criticism of Christianity. That turned out to be a disaster for the uncontrolled infighting that ensued and was on public display, thanks to the Christian SF moderators who encouraged it.

[fluxmaster]

"Cosmotheism and Creators" was created, lumped together as one of the subforums of Theology to further isolate and corral those two non-Christian creeds away from their criticism of Christianity.

There is also a sticky thread entitled "Cosmotheist Ideology/Philosophy," which was created by you, in the Ideology/Philosophy section. Cosmotheism and Buddhism are the only two religions that are permitted to be discussed outside the Theology section, as they are considered philosophies.

That turned out to be a disaster for the uncontrolled infighting that ensued and was on public display, thanks to the Christian SF moderators who encouraged it.

I can't speak for the past, but I am unaware of any current Stormfront moderators who are Christian.

[Will Williams]

Dr. Tom Sunic has a new article, put up on TOO yesterday: https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2 ... emonology/?

It's pretty good, about religion, which is a discipline of his. To comment under it gave me an opportunity to promote Cosmotheism as the religion of the future. I managed to include a portion of what Wolf Stoner wrote here on WB day before yesterday, 16 June: "We need more preaching and more pastors." viewtopic.php?f=68&t=4708&start=70

Wolf, my apologies for butchering your fine piece to make my point.

Will W Williams says:
June 18, 2023 at 8:26 pm
Thank you for this sober, scholarly essay, Dr. Sunic. It is a good companion piece to Dr. Dalton’s recent “Jesus the Jew” here at TOO to help deprogram Christians from the Semitic creed. Your conclusion:

“It does not make much sense to criticize inordinate Jewish political, social, and intellectual influence and popularity, which among other things can still be observed in the writings of a Jewish-born Karl Marx and his modern followers, or modern Jewish neocons dominating the U.S. foreign policy establishment, while at the same time accepting Christian scripts and screeds which were originally written by Jewish prophets….”

Or, while speaking of myths, it makes no sense whatsoever for White Christians — and we are talking about the White variety, if one believes that the White race is not mythical, but the highest of Nature’s creations — to worship the Jews’ mythical tribal god up in the sky. It is time for White Christians to get real, to think racially. Our cause of race preservation needs a belief system, certainly not one with Abrahamic roots — but with a logical spiritual basis.

Until something better comes along William Pierce’s Cosmotheism is the closest I’ve seen to what is needed. Dr. Pierce, a physicist, took the best of race-based National Socialism and married it to his own scientific evaluation of Nature’s laws. Like Wolf Stoner, a Russian nationalist follower of Pierce, puts it:

“The racial war is a religious war. Dr Pierce understood it first. Afterward some other White leaders started to see it this way: any future White resistance organization must be a political-religious one… People must be inspired, but they can’t be inspired by bell curves and crime statistics alone; [we] must use something much more potent. We must appeal not so much to reason as to feelings, to the hidden deep nature of the White man. And the only way to successfully employ this force is through religion. We must preach, we must appeal to the most ancient layers of human psychology…”

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Four of the other five comments published under Dr. Sunic's essay appear to be from Christian apologists. That's too bad. This one, however, gives hope:

William says:
June 17, 2023 at 3:54 pm
No comment yet, but only to express my gratitude for this discussion and article. And so glad to see so many new green shoots of comprehension of this ancient calamity.
Thanks!

The ancient calamity being our race's unfortunate connection for centuries with Jewish-Christianity.

[Will Williams]

The comment I put under Dr. Sunic's article on 18 June passed moderation and appeared unaltered yesterday, so I put another under that one just now, on 20 June, below. Some on WB will recognize parts of this one appeared in my commentary in the January 2023 NA BULLETIN.

Hopefully it will pass moderation also.

Will W Williams says:
June 20, 2023 at 4:38 pm
“The racial war is a religious war.” True or False?

In the racial struggle of Jew vs. Gentile (“Gentile” meaning every non-Jew, but especially Aryans) the biggest obstacle for Whites to overcome to preserve our race is Jewish Christianity, as Dr. Sunic writes above, quoting James Dunn:

“Christianity remained Jewish Christianity. As we move into the second century not only certain Christian sects can be described as ‘Jewish-Christian’, but Christianity as a whole can still properly be described as ‘Jewish Christianity’ in a justifiable sense.[ix]”

So, here we are two millennia later, and Aryans are losing the age-old racial struggle with Jewry by a considerable percentage of them still worshipping the opposition’s imaginary tribal god Yahweh aka Jehovah — the built-in self-destruct mechanism for superstitious fools. How much more gullible can Aryans be?

Until Aryan preservationists can first supplant Jewish Christianity with a biological, Nature-based religion, grounded in reality, opposed to belief in imaginary Jewish spooks in the sky, the Jew will continue to prevail in the racial holy war. Fact!

A disturbing trend we clearly see is the popularity among many so-called White nationalists with the Jewish-Christian “free speech” social media site, Gab.com, where its self-described “troll for Jesus” CEO Andrew Torba signs off each message to his flock with “Jesus Christ is King of kings.” He preaches to his million-plus subscribers that “We must live for all of Christ, all of our life, in every area of our lives, including at work.” He leads his Gabsters with, “I want to remind you not to despair. Jesus Christ is on the throne. We are His people, the actual Chosen People – of every race, nation, and creed…”

Really, Andrew, every race? Who needs speech that is opposed to our goal of race preservation? From what our racial treasure, Dr. Revilo P. Oliver called the Big Jew Book, comes, “And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. (Matthew 27:37 and elsewhere).

“The reason I run Gab [is] because I believe that protecting freedom of speech is a divine command. We must refuse to be ‘led’ by anyone who is not themselves [sic] led by Jesus Christ. We deserve strong God-fearing Christian leaders in media, business, technology, culture, education, and government. I may not agree with your beliefs. You may not agree with mine. You may think my belief in God is a backward superstition. I may think your atheism…” blah, blah, blah. [signed] Andrew Torba – CEO Gab.com – Jesus Christ is King of kings.”

Andrew is a devout Christian nationalist; he appeals to many unthinking conservatives, but he sees anyone who doesn’t accept Jesus as his personal savior must be an atheist. What an absurd statement to tell his more than one million Gabsters. Does he really believe Christian nationalists will wrest control of the news and entertainment industry from Jews? He’s more likely to steer his followers to join the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

“I want to remind you not to despair. Jesus Christ is on the throne. We are His people, the actual Chosen People–of every race, nation, and creed. We have and will continue to overcome the challenges of history in the face of evil and his Kingdom will continue to advance as we disciple all nations.”

What nonsense to tell a serious White loyalist. Are Gabsters that gullible? Andrew doesn’t say the “J”-word that I’ve seen, but instead uses the euphemism “rootless cosmopolitan globalist elites,” while accurately saying: “a small percentage of the population controls 98% of the flow of information and news to the people.” Who are they, Andrew? Name them. Where do they live?

Enough! Who do Whites follow — those like Gab’s troll for Jesus or our own uncompromising Drs.: “Doubting Thomases” Dalton and Sunic, William Pierce, Revilo Oliver, and others who put our race ahead of ancient Jewish Bible stories, like ultra-blasphemer Douglas Mercer?: (143) Pig Jew – White Biocentrism

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[Will Williams]

Another excellent article put up on TOO today by Pierre Simon, "Are We All One In Christ Jesus?." Of course my answer to that question is, No, we aren't, not we who are intelligent. https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2 ... ist-jesus/?

Will Williams says:
June 21, 2023 at 5:00 pm
Very good, Pierre. Nice references. The tide is slowly turning on the JQ. Ravage spilled the beans a hundred years ago and people didn’t listen.

Some may be unfamiliar with Ben Klassen who began weaning tens of thousands of Whites off Jesus Juice when he wrote Nature’s Eternal Religion in 1972. Another, Matt Koehl, George Lincoln Rockwell’s successor and influenced by Klassen, did the same. A piece that Matt wrote ten years ago, before he died, titled “The Greatest Hoax of All Time,” fits the theme of your piece nicely:

THOSE WHO ARE INFORMED and know the score have all heard about “The Hoax of the 20th Century,” a label taken from the groundbreaking examination of the so-Called Holocaust® by professor Arthur Butz of Northwestern University which thoroughly debunks the popular myth of our time. No greater fraud has been foisted upon an uncritical public in the last 100 years than the breathtaking tale of the Six Million gassed Jews of World War II.

“There is, however, an even greater historical hoax — one of millennial dimension — beside which all other Jewish contrivances pale, one which over thousands of years has not only resulted in incalculable suffering, misery and death for hundreds of millions of non-Jews but which, at the same time, has brought untold riches power and influence to the children of Zion. Indeed, without this mother of all hoaxes, the preposterous notion of a “Holocaust®” would be inconceivable — except in the disturbed minds of the mentally unstable.

Colonizing the Mind
“It is axiomatic that if one can colonize the mind of an enemy, one can effectively neutralize and control that enemy. If one can bore into his brain and give him his outlook, his ideals, his values but especially his perception of reality and the Sacred, one has laid the foundation for all subsequent manipulation and control.

“Essentially, what one has created is a “Manchurian candidate,” a zombie-like being who may well prate about “freedom” but who, in fact, no longer possesses a free will — which is the prerequisite for all true freedom. In other words, he has become a slave, prepared to do his master’s bidding and serve at his pleasure. THAT, unfortunately, is the unhappy predicament in which our race finds itself today.

“Not only has an alien entity crept into the White man’s brain and given him his god, but it has convinced him — through mere, bald assertion alone — that IT constitutes a so-called Chosen People, to be blessed rather than cursed.

Epic Con Job
“The Jews say they are a chosen people — the Chosen People of some Big Jew up in the sky — and they have gotten millions of unthinking Christians to accept this arrant nonsense without so much as batting an eye. They have flimflammed and bamboozled the gullible goyim — just as did the weavers of the Emperor’s new clothes! A brazen swindle that would otherwise be perfectly plain to even the smallest child escapes adult minds which have been corrupted and beclouded by Semitic hoodoo. The fix is in…”

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[Will Williams]

My comment under "Are We All One In Jesus Christ?" Passed moderation.

Another comment is put up there today under a fellow's who is promoting the Asatru Folk Assembly as the solution to our race's miserable dilemma: https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2 ... ist-jesus/

Steve H says:
June 22, 2023 at 7:05 am
The Asatru Folk Assembly exists and every White European should support them!

Jews are only 2% of the population and because they are extremely ethnocentric and politically motivated they project a considerable amount of influence in the political theater. But what if this was replicated by another highly ethnocentric and politically motivated religion such as the Asatru Folk Assembly. What would be the political ramifications if this group reached 2% of the population or 5%, or 10%?

Will Williams says:
June 24, 2023 at 2:47 pm
The ramifications should AFA reach 2% or even 5% or 10%, if exclusively among Whites, would be fantastic, especially as a replacement for Jewish-Christianity.

For Whites to get in touch with heroic, pre-Christian European religious beliefs that more closely reflects our race’s character is important, but what is AFA’s position on Jewry? Can Odinism stand up to assaults by Jews any better than it did against the Christianization of Europe?

I met AFA’s founder Stephen McNallen years ago — a very nice fellow. He has done some very good work for our people, for example his work to establish that the skeletal remains of Kennewick Man were of a White European; he respected the ideology and work of our National Alliance and its founder William Pierce but considered NA “too radical.” So, he continued on his path, and we continued on ours.

I’ve since learned that Steve has stepped aside from leading AFA, so don’t know what its position is now on our Jewish masters. I found this 2021 piece from the Sacramento Bee, if anyone wants to pay to read it: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article255292666.html

For the Jew view of Asatru Folk Assembly, one can read an interesting, if typical piece from the SPLC hate group: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... k-assembly

An eye-opening find in that piece, if true, that might indicate Mr. McNallen was more radical 40 years ago prior to toning Asatru down, possibly for a broader outreach.:

“Editions of The Runestone between Fall 1981 to Winter 1982 featured full-page back cover advertisements for The Turner Diaries. This novel about a race war in the United States helped motivate numerous terror attacks and hate crimes, most notably the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing. The promotional description of the book reads in part: ‘Author Andrew Macdonald is a nuclear physicist and an expert in improvised munitions, terrorist gadgets, and military/industrial sabotage. His descriptions of devices and techniques are graphic and detailed. His scenario is terrifyingly realistic.’ To purchase, readers were encouraged to send $4.95 and an additional 50 cents for postage to the neo-Nazi National Alliance Books.”

If our race is to prevail in the eternal Jew vs. Aryan struggle, our side must be more radical and revolutionary than the Jews certainly have been and continue to be.

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