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Post by Will Williams » Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:34 pm

Jim Mathias wrote:
Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:30 am
Will, you mentioned in a post above the one you mentioned here about referring that a C-C commenter to National Vanguard's article on Congoids and Spaceflight for a laugh. Here's the link to copy and paste there at C-C if you so wish: https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/06/co ... aceflight/
I posted that link there, Jim. Here's how it appeared: Congoids and Spaceflight | National Vanguard

I just noticed the other reply made to a potential Alliance member, John, where I'd also put a link. That link wasn't "clickable" either, but a diligent Netizen, and John, hopefully, could still find that linked page.

The most noteworthy comment under your article is by John, who wrote:

[W]e must reclaim our homelands, hold our traitors accountable, & repatriate ALL non-Europeans. Failure is not an option. Without total & complete separation in perpetuity we will not survive.

The National Alliance’s long-term, uncompromising objective is exactly that, John, and has been from the 1970s. Nonserious Whites say that is an unreasonable goal, but you obviously don’t see it as unreasonable. The plan: Building A New White World What is the National Alliance? | National Alliance (natall.com)
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Post by Will Williams » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:37 pm

Good question, but weak responses by the author and a couple of comments below it.

This time I typed out the NA links rather than have them appear as unclickable. They appear this way.


Do You Have What It Takes to be a Dissident?
Spencer J. Quinn
1,133 words

The easiest thing a dissident can do is screw up. When choosing this dangerous path, a dissident faces numerous obstacles and pitfalls and becomes an easy target for his well-funded and organized enemies.

Dissidents are, in a way, intellectual outlaws. Despite not breaking any laws — or even threatening to break any laws — a dissident loses the faith and protection of his government for the existential threat he poses. He is no longer innocent until proven guilty. He no longer has rights given to him by God. He endures a hailstorm of insults and slander. He becomes ostracized and unemployable. He is forbidden common means of publication, communication, and raising money. In many cases, he is harassed either by his government or by criminal partisans whom the government refuses to prosecute. And any mistake he makes will be pounced upon by enemy media and used against him.

This is the contract. This is what the dissident signs up for. This is the price he pays when he values his convictions over his livelihood and his future.

So it is a thin line over the abyss. Falling off of it would be easy — just one wrong step is all it would take. I can imagine some dissidents succumbing to the stress and sacrifice and actually wanting to fall. They just crack up and demand freedoms they long ago renounced, and then take one proud step into oblivion. To paraphrase Greg Johnson, if they are going to be losers, they might as well be beautiful losers as they plummet all the way to Valhalla. It sure beats the humiliation of crawling back along that thin line and admitting defeat.

This is why I am not a dissident. This is why I remain a pseudonymous author who merely writes about dissidence from the comfy confines of his kitchen. Do I have what it takes to be a dissident? I don’t know, and while I have things to do in my normie life, I’d rather not find out just yet.

Knowing all of this, however, will assist young people with the decisions they will have to make if they are considering becoming dissidents themselves. The road is thin, hard, lonely, and hazardous. It is policed by some of the world’s most powerful people, and travelers are liable to get ambushed or lost, if they don’t lose heart altogether. It is not to be embarked upon lightly.

It takes a person of certain character and means to become a successful dissident. To that end, I have come up with a list of fourteen questions aimed to tease out the dissident’s essential qualities...

See Spencer's questions here: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/do ... dissident/ and my and others, commenting below it.


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March 10, 2023 at 12:06 pm
What an interesting questionnaire you’ve come up with here, Spencer. In looking through the 14 questions three times and responding to them honestly, I score a 14, or perhaps 13 since I’m not a millionaire (Q 5), but still above average among dissidents. Wealth is relevant, and our Aryan cause is piss poor when compared to our primary enemy, though we have many White millionaires and billionaires who may agree with us but are moral cowards, tight when it comes to supporting those of us out front, fighting for them and theirs. Perhaps cowardice is too strong a word, and they are simply prudent? If so, and they actually do agree with us, then they are selfish individualists who are racially irresponsible.

My organization, the National Alliance (NA), has had a weekly radio broadcast, American Dissident Voices (ADV), since 1991 so we know a little about the subject. Recent shows are archived here: https://nationalvanguard.org/category/a ... nt-voices/

NA Founder, Dr. William Pierce, who was labeled “the most dangerous man in America” by the Anti-Defamation League of B’ad B’reath (ADL), would no doubt have scored a 14 on your questionnaire. 240 of his broadcasts are archived here: https://video.natall.com. That powerful Jewish hate group (ADL) also claimed the NA is “the most dangerous organization in America.” Why? Because NA does not fear their alien tribe or their mythical god. All the bastards can do is have us locked up as dangerous dissidents or kill us, and that would simply create martyrs for our cause. Not all NA members score 14, or even 12, but they agree with our ideology, program and vision for a New White World as a requirement of membership.
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Post by Will Williams » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:59 pm

Yesterday Spencer Quinn responded to my comment under his article, seen below. So today I responded to his comment about what it takes to be an out-front, radical White dissident for decades, under his. I let it be known that I subscribed to C-C's paywall not only to learn how it works but to find pro-White activists who may be interested in our Alliance.


Spencer Quinn
March 11, 2023 at 5:32 am
Thank you for the kind words, Will. It means a lot. As for question 5, -1 would mean you cannot seem to escape either massive debt or poverty by western standards. 0 would mean you essentially live paycheck to paycheck and can provide for a family with a struggle. +1 would mean you make more money than you spend, you make sound financial decisions OR you have the gift of raising money.

My guess is that you are +1 for question 5.

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Will Williams March 12, 2023 at 6:30 pm
The National Alliance had practically flatlined when I took over as Chairman in 2014, with massive debt, an abandoned headquarters, the defendant in a $2 million civil suit, and the loss of 98% of the membership we had when Dr. Pierce died. I didn’t have money but knew that the legacy of William Pierce, especially the non-Semitic religion for Whites he founded in the 1970s — Cosmotheism — was worth preserving and promoting. As an architect, builder and developer in my former life I know how to build, and with the body of work and sound spiritual foundation Pierce left to us, deliberate rebuilding of the Alliance hasn’t been all that different from constructing a complicated, custom building from the ground up. I would work from what I saw was fairly a tabula rosa since, thankfully, my predecessor had sold RESISTANCE Records that had attracted way too many undisciplined skinheads. They were gone. To where these days I have no idea.

I’d been Pierce’s first Membership Coordinator 30 years ago so already knew all the ins and outs of Alliance-building. I asked Kevin Strom to be our Media Director. He has been an NA member since 1982 and was Media Director 30 years ago on staff with me and had an even better grasp of Pierce’s unique Cosmotheist belief system and vision than I. Together we and others who have joined us rose to the challenges and have overcome numerous obstacles in the past nine years.

I, nor my wife, who is NA Business Manager, draw a salary. We have my SSN and VA disability which, with no personal debt, is plenty to live on. An inheritance from my dearly departed mother and a substantial five-figure donation in the beginning from a member who had confidence in my leadership helped to get NA out of debt and back on track. Like Greg Johnson I know how to obtain and attract money, but more importantly, much needed activists. I have no ambition to become personally wealthy. It is all about NA now and building the real-world separatist community for our like-minded kinsmen.

I joined Greg’s paywall because I’m interested in how it works, but to be honest I also have an interest in finding fellow racial activists here on C-C who may find NA attractive.

I purchased Pierce’s research library from my predecessor and another large, well-collected library in 2014. Other collections have since been donated. An arrangement with the IRS if I would unincorporate National Vanguard Books made the $22,000 in tax arrears uncollectable. We relaunched our publishing arm with an online bookstore in 2017 after dismissing three lawsuits, coup attempts, etc.: https://cosmotheistchurch.org/shop/. I traded the back, unused, timbered portion of our West Virginia campus in a 1031 tax transfer to purchase 55 acres for NA here in Upper East Tennessee, free and clear. This is where the William Luther Pierce Memorial Library and Research Center will be located. Its large warehouse is now approximately 80% completed, built mostly by our on-site staff and volunteer labor from visiting members. We milled much of our own lumber for that from our own trees. Several contiguous parcels and a couple of houses have been added lately.

A quality I’ve often seen lacking in otherwise outstanding dissidents is perseverance. They may score above average on Q1 but when things get to be too much in their personal lives they back away, even quit, while knowing our cause is both right and absolutely necessary. I became estranged from my muti-millionaire father over my racial politics. So be it. I lost both of my first two wives over my racial politics — the first when I was Ben Klassen’s XO and the second as Pierce’s XO. So be it. I persevered and eventually was tapped NA Chairman, if by default perhaps, because no one else was foolish enough to step up and do what was needed. The current Mrs. Williams and I will celebrate our 20th anniversary this summer. If the reader is interested in the role perseverance plays in a serious, out-front, decades-long White racial dissident, he might find the book Svetlana and I wrote in 2021 informative: htpp://cosmotheistchurch.org/product/pocahontas-show-trial-by-william-w-williams/
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Post by Will Williams » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:06 pm

Yesterday a fellow answering to LeRoy liked what I'd written the day before and responded, so today I responded back:

Leroy Patterson March 13, 2023 at 7:36 am
Because NA does not fear their alien tribe or their mythical god.

Powerful words – you exhibit the late Doctor’s fiery rhetoric which I (and surely many others) seek to emulate. I have taken to listening to ADV recordings (though the polemic style becomes predictable and maybe starts to feel repetitive after the first few dozen) and other speeches of his preserved on archive.org & so I thank you for posting the link to this page; I had not come across it before. Refreshing to read such luminaries and old hands (an associate of Klassen !) still active

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Thanks, LeRoy. I see defeatism among commentators here. Too bad. I suppose they are satisfied to simply comment

However, many responsible men and women are now being radicalized into active racial nationalism as they see the U.S. being turned more and more against its founding stock — our race — every day right in front of their eyes. No one I’m familiar with aroused effective racial loyalty in our people better than did William Pierce who put it like this:

Before we can put the White man into the fight
we must first put the fight into the White man.

We need to activate our young men and women to find their backbones and get them pointed in the right direction, avoiding the many pitfalls, wrong detours and dead ends. It is never too late for our people to get into the fight in some capacity.

I had always been a fighter, but like so many, without a true purpose to my life. I became activated as a dissident in 1985 at 37 against federal goons as a tax resister after a big fight with what I’d come to see as the tyrannical IRS. I eventually came to see our problem not as political, or as constitutional, but biological, racial — Aryan vs. Jew — certainly not Christian. Klassen, Metzger, Oliver, et al, broke me of that nonsense once and for all.

BK prepared me for Pierce, whose spiritual basis for our life and death struggle finally made perfect sense. Pierce’s wife described her husband and me as “two old shoes.” We were very different personalities but much alike. I was so inquisitive, even at 45 by then, and was constantly picking his brain. He was a very patient teacher. Looking back I didn’t pick my mentor; my mentor picked me. I never had ambition to be NA Chairman. I was comfortable being XO. as I had been on Special Forces Team A-414 in Vietnam in the late 1960s. I’m always asking myself now, where are all those physically courageous Green Beret Alpha males I’d served with then when we need them? It’s the difference in not-so-rare physical courage and necessary moral courage, the requisite to be an outspoken, confident White separatist dissident today.

So, now I am a septuagenarian, 37 years into this thing of ours, half my life with few regrets. If you want to listen to Pierce, archive.com is not the place to do it. Try https://video.natall.com, our National Alliance channel — all Pierce all the time. His biography, titled The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds, from the ancient Norse Edda tells us what’s important when one dies. Schopenhauer put it differently:

A happy life is impossible, the highest thing that man can aspire to is a heroic life; such as a man lives, who is always fighting against unequal odds for the good of others; and wins in the end without any thanks. After the battle is over, he stands like the Prince in the re corvo of Gozzi, with dignity and nobility in his eyes, but turned to stone. His memory remains, and will be reverenced as a hero’s; his will, that has been mortified all his life by toiling and struggling, by evil payment and ingratitude, is absorbed into Nirvana.
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Post by Will Williams » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:04 pm


This fellow Scott, below, is a regular commentator at C-C with 183 comments. I saw he'd put up a nearly 1,500 word comment in this same topic about what it takes to be a dissident and couldn't help but respond to the dig he made at Dr. Pierce's novel, The Turner Diaries.

I subscribed to the Counter-Currents paywall in December and have made a half dozen comments since then. I had not been moderated until yesterday, and that comment eventually went through. Notice below I'm being moderated further. We'll see if today's comment gets through C-C-moderation. If it doesn't, at least it is published here.


Scott, responding to this:
Deodato
March 13, 2023 at 3:26 pm
Here is a prescient documentary from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iujfrHqiPQs


Scott
March 14, 2023 at 3:58 am
Hi Deodato,

That is a very interesting video. I remember those times well. I was a supporter of the National Socialist White People’s Party at about the time that this BBC video was done and I had read Dr. William L. Pierce’s novel The Turner Diaries, which I did not think was very realistic.

When the Mormons did their Survivalism at this time it was based on Food Storage and networking to support the faithful and their neighbors in crises and uncertain times ─ and it was not at all based upon guerilla warfare or paramilitary training. There wasn’t even any level of firearms training in the Church either. I got that in the Civil Air Patrol and the U.S. Army.

The LDS were not opposed to guns but they did not put any official emphasis on that or even ammunition loading like they did with things like canning food. As a kid I volunteered quite a lot at the church cannery meant for stocking the Bishop’s Storehouse, and collecting church donations for the poor, plus working on the church welfare farms occasionally.

LDS stands for Latter-Day Saints, so they consider themselves Christians who believe in the end-times and that the Second Coming of Jesus is “near.” However, in my experience, they have been deemphasizing the “nearness” for decades and had expressly stated that it would not occur around the recent Millennium. “No man knows the time or the season for the return of Jesus Christ,” is what they preach ─ but they have no doubt that it will come sooner or later, as Christianity is already over two-thousand years old (but often riddled with apostasy).

On the other hand, the Christian group (I assume Southern and Protestant) in the video is very much doing paramilitary training. You don’t really find these types so much anymore, I don’t think, because of two reasons:

1) In the windup to the year 2000, many fundamentalist Christians tended to believe Biblical prophecy that the Apocalypse was at hand, and 2) they believed that thermonuclear war was almost inevitable.

The near-bloodless collapse of the Iron Curtain and the Godless Soviet Union came as a bit of a surprise to almost everybody, and this reduced nuclear war tensions and fears considerably.

I never had any interest in Christian Identity, but I did have quite a bit of correspondence with Ralph Forbes during those formative times, late 1970s, early 1980s. In the 1960s, he had been one of George Lincoln Rockwell’s captains, and also a Christian chaplain for the NSWPP. Mr. Forbes’ wife was also a loyal Nazi activist and they had about nine children together if I remember correctly. A former U.S. Navy Commander, Rockwell was an Agnostic or Atheist ─ like me ─ who believed that White people who wanted to could be Christians, and for as long as they liked, and that this did not necessarily conflict with White Nationalism.

But let’s look again at those Christians in the 1982 BBC documentary. They feel that they are under SIEGE, and this is very interesting. The Mormons have not felt that way since before my Great-Grandparents were young, probably before the turn of the 20th century. So, I think that explains why they are not particularly interested in paramilitary training when they do their “Prepping.” They feel physically safe from Satan’s minions, so to speak. Those Christians training their men and women to fight in 1982 did not feel safe; they expected the worst, and soon.

The Federal government even actively recruits Mormons at the Universities for jobs that require Security Clearances, because they don’t usually have any vices. I had no trouble getting one for the U.S. Army Signal Corps, and my Dad as a nuclear and aerospace engineer had the highest clearances. The FBI in the 1960s even interviewed his grade-school teachers. I’m not sure who they asked about me, but they either didn’t discover that I had Rightwing sympathies or they did not care. I certainly had no criminal record or the usual vices. I handled highly-sensitive cryptographic materials with diligence and competence ─ stuff they entrust to Twinks nowadays and their criminally-idiot supervisors.

Anyway, back when the government was using RICO laws to try to financially ruin Pastor Richard Butler’s Aryan Nations church at Hayden Lake in Idaho, the state legislature passed a law banning paramilitary training at the urging of the SPLC. I think this was ruled unconstitutional on 1st and 2nd Amendment grounds, and Butler eventually prevailed in Federal court, but since then all states have similar laws in place and the Patriot Act after 9/11 did not help. Butler’s group eventually lost a lawfare civil suit with the SPLC and he died shortly afterward.

I never approved of the Skinhead movement from the Pacific Northwest ─ apparently modeled after the Seattle music grunge and punk scene. It seemed that the idea was to use working-class kids with low IQs and nothing-to-lose for “propaganda of the deed.” Use those anti-Social impulses for the White Revolution ─ what could possibly go wrong?

It seemed to me that the idea was that when things get so bad that bourgeois Normie life becomes impossible, THEN we would get the assassinations and the righteous activism and the Turner Diaries scenario. There was indeed at least one assassination that I know of in Denver, and some armored car robberies in California, and some other fückwittery in those years, that I did not approve of (understatement).

I asked Ralph Forbes once if Richard Butler was a decent and honorable man and he said that he did not know or had met all of them, but that as far as he knew, NONE of Pastor Butler’s people were not decent and honorable men and women ─ and I believe him.

In any case, we never got the Cohen Act where ZOG confiscates all the guns as in the “Nat Turner Diaries,” as I used to call Pierce’s novel. However, one could say that we did get Ruby Ridge and Waco ─ although I consider David Koresh to have been a real nutcase whom, like Ted Kaczynski, I would not hesitate to volunteer for their firing squads. And then we got Timothy McVeigh ─ a Gulf War Vet and once a decent guy ─ blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building in revenge for Ruby Ridge and Waco, a page right out of the Turner Diaries. That really did the WN Movement a lot of good, didn’t it?

I think that GLR’s philosophy of “Legal Psychological and Political Warfare” is correct but incomplete.

I also think that WN should cultivate a “siege mentality” in the sense that it galvanizes White people politically, and that they should be prepared in all respects including the 2nd Amendment. But this requires solid Truth without dumb “edgy podcaster” exaggerations. We must meticulously follow the rules of decency and the letter of the legal system, with a strategy focused on winning and building the future.

We have to be the Civilization-makers, and not the destroyers. For the time being much can be done with the 1st Amendment, at least in the United States. Countries that, for example, have criminalized Holocaust Denial, maybe can’t do as much but we can still help them.

It struck me that the Southern-accented guys in the BBC documentary were obviously prior-service or military-trained. Aside from possibly a few peacocks, they seemed to be fairly-competent instructors, and their “troops” well disciplined.

I believe that the bedrock of Nationalism is military training. It is something that nearly all governments prioritize in Hobbesian fashion. A healthy Nation-State has a LOT of guys like this.

I would be much more comfortable if more of “our guys” had been in the Service. I would even favor Conscription if there were some way to stay out of ZOG interventions and wars. But I’m a Baby Boomer ─ the Army that I knew forty years ago is a very different animal today, and Communism isn’t really the military threat that it once was.

I’m not sure if the Burger King Kids Club is the best military experience nowadays ─ and I certainly never advised anyone to join up after 9/11. That was obviously a bad idea, especially the crusade against phony WMDs.

My nephew graduated from the Naval Academy and became an officer on a submarine; he is now in the Reserves and has a nice large Mormon family and is currently studying to become a doctor, so I think there are still some military avenues which young people can explore that can help them learn decent values and well-disciplined military bearing.

These are all difficult questions regardless, and without easy answers.

🙂


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March 16, 2023 at 6:33 pm
Scott: That is a very interesting video. I remember those times well… I had read Dr. William L. Pierce’s novel The Turner Diaries, which I did not think was very realistic… In any case, we never got the Cohen Act where ZOG confiscates all the guns as in the “Nat Turner Diaries,” as I used to call Pierce’s novel… And then we got Timothy McVeigh ─ a Gulf War Vet and once a decent guy ─ blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building in revenge for Ruby Ridge and Waco, a page right out of the Turner Diaries. That really did the WN Movement a lot of good, didn’t it?


What movement is that, Scott? From some of the names you’ve dropped it’s clear you’ve been on the fringe of some movement for 40 years, but what are you doing these days besides reminiscing?

I watched nearly five minutes of the 40-year-old Guns and God video. That’s all I could take since it is not very realistic, not grounded in reality whatsoever. It wasn’t then and more so isn’t now.

Nat Turner Diaries. Aren’t you clever? The reason you may think Pierce’s 1975 novel was not very realistic is because it is a novel, fiction. But the ideas conveyed in it, and especially in Pierce’s second novel, Hunter, are powerful. Powerful enough that that TTD has been said to be the “bible of the racist right,” by Jewish enemies at the ADL and SPLC — also by the FBI who stated if it could ban any one book, it would be The Turner Diaries.

A novel doesn’t have to be very realistic to be tagged as dangerous. Dr. Pierce was a “decent guy,” but the GD ADL named him “the most dangerous man in America.” Why? The FBI need not ban TTD because Amazon.com effectively banned it just a couple of days after the January 6 gathering that The New York Times reported was “inspired by The Turner Diaries” in its coordinated, canned article published on 7 January. As President of Cosmotheist Books and owner of the TTD copyright we publish and make available the banned book, as well as its audiobook, read by the author: cosmotheistchurch.org/product/the-turner-diaries-third-edition
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Post by Jim Mathias » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 pm

Why put your post on hold pending moderation, Will? Are you full of ideas dangerous to C-C or someone? Jews at the ADL of B'ad B'reath thought so of Pierce, and still do today of the present National Alliance. I'm led to question what C-C is truly about, the answer to which would be in what they're accomplishing.
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Post by RCavallius » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:50 pm

Jim Mathias wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 pm
Why put your post on hold pending moderation, Will? Are you full of ideas dangerous to C-C or someone? Jews at the ADL of B'ad B'reath thought so of Pierce, and still do today of the present National Alliance. I'm led to question what C-C is truly about, the answer to which would be in what they're accomplishing.
I confess that was my first thought, too. But, CC isn't a free speech platform, and one knows we understand that.
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Post by Will Williams » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:13 pm

Jim Mathias wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 pm
Why put your post on hold pending moderation, Will? Are you full of ideas dangerous to C-C or someone? Jews at the ADL of B'ad B'reath thought so of Pierce, and still do today of the present National Alliance. I'm led to question what C-C is truly about, the answer to which would be in what they're accomplishing.
Both moderated comments by me eventually appeared (I think unedited :?: but didn't check), so I'll keep commenting when I have the time. No one knows I'm being moderated at C-C except the moderators there and folks here at WB.
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Post by Will Williams » Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:37 am

My C-C comments are appearing unmoderated again today as I continue to promote NA and Cosmotheism there. https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/iq-is-a-phenotype/

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March 19, 2023 at 6:28 am
Jim Goad (quoting Spencer): Thus, in order to counteract the Left’s dicta, the Right must push its own: either God or DNA. And since DNA is the provable one, it makes sense to lead with that.

Nailed it. The left’s god is “equality.” DNA, and by extension group differences in IQ, is the easiest way to kill the left’s god…


Not exactly, Jim. If polled, 99% of the U.S. Senators and Congressmen, Right or Left, conservative, liberal or moderate, whether they really believe it or not, will say their god is Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Allah — take your pick — the Jew’s mythical tribal god up in the sky.

Dr. William Pierce had this phony fight ruse between the right-wing and left-wing figured out 47 years ago as they relate to our racial struggle with his classic speech Our Cause, here: https://nationalvanguard.org/2010/09/our-cause/

We, in the National Alliance, the racial nationalist organization Pierce founded 50 years ago, are neither Right, nor Left, but biological, racial preservationists, which neither Right nor Left are. In fact, when scrutinized racially both sides of that imaginary “aisle” are anti-White.

[O]ne of the difficulties people have in trying to understand us is that they can’t figure out quite how to categorize us. They’re accustomed to putting everything they encounter in life into little, mental pigeonholes labeled right-wing, left-wing, communist, racist, and so on. And once they’ve done that, they think they understand the thing.

Now the trouble is that we don’t quite fit any of the customary pigeonholes. And that is because the doctrine of the National Alliance, the truth for which we stand, is not just a rehash of old and familiar ideas but is really something new to Americans.

Perhaps the best way to approach an understanding of the Alliance is to start by getting rid of some of the most troublesome pigeonholes altogether. That is, by pointing out what we are. We are not, as many people tend to assume at first, either a conservative or a right-wing group… Do we want to restore prayer and Bible reading to the public schools? Hardly. Anti-fluoridation? Nonsense. Income tax? Abortion? Pornography? Well, we may sympathize more with the right-wing position on these issues than we do with the left-wing position, but they are still only peripheral issues for us. They are not the reason why we are here. They are not the things we are prepared to die for…

There are, in fact, several issues on which we are closer to what would ordinarily be considered the left-wing or liberal position than we are to the conservative or right-wing position. One of these issues is the ecology issue: the protection of our natural environment, the elimination of pollution, and the protection of wildlife. And there are also other issues in which we are closer to the liberals than to the conservatives, although I doubt that we agree with them completely on any issue; just as we seldom, if ever, agree completely with the right-wing on any issue.

The reason for the lack of complete agreement, when there seems to be approximate agreement, with either the right or the left is that our position on every issue is derived from an underlying view of the world which is fundamentally different from those of either the right or the left. That is, to the extent that they have any underlying philosophy at all. Often there is none, and a great many people who identify themselves as liberals, conservatives, or moderates simply have an assortment of views on various issues which are not related to any common idea, purpose, or philosophy…

1976 was also the year Pierce formulated the necessary non-Semitic, non-Abrahamic spiritual foundation for Our Cause, that he named Cosmotheism. Read about this and order our recently published bible, here: http://coamotheistchurch.org/product/co ... am-pierce/
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Re: Commenting on Counter-Currents site

Post by RCavallius » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:35 pm

ORIGINAL POST BY CHAIRMAN WILL WILLIAMS:

It seems I may have struck a nerve with this Scott fellow, as he's come back with another very long response to my reply to him -- 2,239 words! Under it I continue to promote our Alliance and Cosmotheism to those who gather at Counter-Currents to discuss the state of the race. For proper formatting, see: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/do ... dissident/


ScottMarch 17, 2023 at 8:04 pm
Will Willims wrote:

>> What movement is that, Scott? From some of the names you’ve dropped it’s clear you’ve been on the fringe of some movement for 40 years, but what are you doing these days besides reminiscing? <<

White Nationalism of course. I was an official supporter of the NSWPP/New Order but their rebranding in the early 1980s to esoteric Hitlerism and Zen National Socialism just went nowhere. I was never sold on Dr. Pierce’s “propaganda of the deed,” either ─ nor the idea of replacing well-disciplined and clean-cut storm troopers with sleeve-tattooed welders and motorcycle enthusiasts, and otherwise solid guys who mainly excelled at hoisting suds at meetings with boisterous and bland speakers.

I lost faith in Movement politics a long time ago with the spate of WN-related crimes in the 1980s. I don’t know exactly who is responsible but we certainly had a leadership deficit somewhere.

You asked what I do. Well, I have focused on doing academic research on Historical Revisionism and Holodenial and being clear about and willing to facilitate open and good-faith debate and discussion of the subject (if possible) without collecting too much negative attention.

I’m just clacking away from my “beep chair” and going through boring University archives. A lot of these dusty shelves are being destroyed as they are long forgotten materials. Occasionally I find something noteworthy like that the Swedish vacuum cleaner company Electrolux made poison gas generators such that the Germans during the war could have easily used to gas Jews with full due-process had they actually wanted to.

Eric Hunt was a talented media guy ─ and if he had been a little more cautious about approaching certain problems, he might still be producing informative Revisionist documentaries after raiding the Stanford Library. Eric told me once that he wanted to be “the Howard Stern of Holocaust Revisionism” and to move the Overton Window.

Well, stunts like grabbing the elderly Liar Elie Wiesel’s sleeve in an elevator are just not going to pay off for us on many levels. Commander Rockwell and Dr. Goebbels would have understood why and how otherwise to proceed.

Not to mention faux pas like actual assassinations and robberies ostensibly from the Movement ─ or whoever it was who bears ultimately responsible for those. I never remember Dr. Pierce “clarifying” any of it. Maybe it just happened like the kiddie porn found on a certain radio engineer’s laptop computer. These important issues are things that we White Nationalists need to be discussing and debating openly.

Will Williams wrote:

>> I watched nearly five minutes of the 40-year-old Guns and God video. That’s all I could take since it is not very realistic, not grounded in reality whatsoever. It wasn’t then and more so isn’t now. <<

I didn’t mean the video showed a realistic depiction of guerilla warfare training, LOL. The focus was more on thermonuclear war survival and defending themselves against societal collapse ─ but also on defending from anti-Christian or sectarian attacks.

I didn’t mention that much about the Christian angle in my comments above but this is also interesting because these people have certain cosmological convictions which gives them strength and solidarity.

Unfortunately, from my perspective as an agnostic or atheist, I question any kind of ethos ultimately based upon superstition. But they clearly do draw strength from it, as did the Mormons when faced with physical extermination from some other Christian sects in the aftermath of the so-called Second Awakening in 19th century America. They also had to fight the Injuns back before the Cavalry came running.

Guerilla Warfare is not the right approach anyway for various reasons. ZOG has all the necessary resources to deal with any insurgency ─ and if they failed to defeat certain Communist or Mohammedan factions globally after WWII until today it was because that was never really their goal. These vaunted Cold War or War on Terrah “police actions” did not sink or swim because of any shortage of John Rambos either.

The point is that the Christian Survivalists in the 1982 BBC documentary were doing basic para-military training ─ and it looked to me like they had the basics right. They were learning to drill, follow orders, learn teamwork, develop leadership, learn how to place pickets and to report activity up the chain-of-command, pull important guard and sentry duty until properly relieved. And last but not least, become proficient with small arms.

During the War Between the States, the Southerners were more effective soldiers per man than their Yankee counterparts. This was so not because Antebellum Southern values were necessarily better than in the North. Nor was it because the Confederates were usually deprived of provisions and manpower and better armaments, etc. It wasn’t because their officers might have had better military educations at West Point or VMI than their Northern counterparts either.

The Southerners made more effective soldiers per man simply because they were better woodsmen and hunters who understood how to shoot their own muskets.

Northern immigrants who were told they were fighting for Negroes may have often made good patriots, but they did not have those same frontier skills, even if they usually had more ball, bacon and beans when mobilized by the government.

My Confederate ancestor died of starvation and disease in a Union PoW camp at Alton, Illinois a few weeks before the awful Mr. Lincoln met his maker. He was a simple blacksmith who bought farm land in the South before the war and was therefore obligated to join Gordon’s regiment as a gunsmith and private soldier to defend his homestead and his neighbors against the perfidy of Northern aggression. He did not own Negroes and found them indolent and quixotic creatures.

After his Federal capture late in the war, he would have been willing to swear an oath of loyalty to the Union and to permanently move his family North to Southern Illinois to take care of his elderly parents (they were Copperheads originally from Tennessee) instead of continuing his imprisonment for “rebellion,” but this was not allowed.

Late in the war General Grant knew that the South suffered manpower shortages and therefore wanted to maximize the hardships for prisoners of both sides, so prionsers were not exchanged or paroled. Tens of thousands of White prisoners-of-war on both sides died wretched deaths in camps as a result. Very few of them actually owned slaves.

I jokingly call Dr. Pierce’s entertaining Turner Diaries novel the “Nat Turner Diaries” because of the prevailing Marxist Howard Zinn-view of American history which posits that the 2nd Amendment was about arming White peasants to put down Negro slave revolts. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights was either a Jewish/Masonic plot or a ploy of White Supremacy, depending on what Papist, Libertarian or Commie that you are talking to. Well, it was a White country, for sure, but unfortunately not explicitly enough. As usual, Dr. Zinn and fellow-travellers spouted complete nonsense. The guerilla war in the Turner Diaries was triggered by the “Cohen Act,” a national gun confiscation such as has already happened in other Anglosphere countries.

The point is that Nation-States have plenty of resources to put down criminals and fugitives if they want to. But the 2A does affirm the principle in black-letter-law that citizen militias can be formed for civil breakdowns amongst well-disciplined neighbors with their privately-owned infantry weapons. Small arms proficiency, not neighborhood nuclear superiority, is the necessary backbone of any infantry muster.

I haven’t read Hunter. Is that the one where some intrepid lone-activist snipers sport tactical bowl-cuts and assassinate coal-burners while out jogging in places like Salt Lake City ─ as was happening there in the 1970s-1980s by some of “our” guys? Note that in those days you rarely saw inter-racial couples in Utah, though this had long become mainstream in the South at that time.

According to Wikipedia, “Pierce dedicated Hunter to Joseph Paul Franklin who, the notice says, “saw his duty as a White man.” Franklin was a white supremacist serial killer who murdered up to 22 people in sniper-style attacks.”

I’m not calling for the novels to be banned. They are entertaining and thought-provoking, hopefully. But we WN do need to openly discuss matters like this on many levels.

I mentioned Pastor Richard Butler and his Aryan Nations church in Northern Idaho. Mr. Butler was accused of attempting to assassinate this local race-mixing activist named Bill Wassmuth who ran a front group for the SPLC called the Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment. You can Google him; both he and Mr. Butler died early in the 21st century. I thought that Bill Wassmuth was a Happy Merchant but it turns out that he was a defrocked Catholic priest who believed in un-whitening small White rural towns by sponsoring race-mixing events like dances to amuse Negroes brought in from afar to learn trades.

A bomb exploded in Wassmuth’s Idaho home when he was conveniently out for a jog or something ─ and he blamed the Aryan Nations. This is the origin of the future Ruby Ridge debacle.

Personally, I don’t believe that Richard Butler and his skinheads were guilty of anything more than a few pranks and chasing the loathsome Antifa off their compound with guns drawn ─ and like Dr. Pierce, their hearts were in the right place. However, they were very maladroit in the propaganda war. I followed this with great interest because I was a Radio and TV engineer in Idaho at the time, and unlike Kevin Alfred Strom, I still have my top-tier Amateur Radio license.

Yes, I am not really a Movement guy. But these are things that we desperately need to discuss, despite this kind of “drama.”

During Randy Weaver’s Ruby Ridge trial where he was accused in the media of being a “Violent White Supreemist,” the Feds having killed his wife and son was so egregious that he actually got the showboating “Cowboy Lawyer” Gerry Spence to defend him pro-bono. Weaver had been a paratrooper and sergeant in the U.S. Army, and Spence was interviewed on national TV by the “Baby Boomer” TV news anchor Tom Brokaw (who coined the awful “Greatest Generation” designation referring to his WWII elders).

Brokaw asked Spence on national TV: “Is Randy Weaver dangerous?”

As they strolled together through the Idaho woods with the TV cameraman in tow, attorney Gerry Spence adamantly replied: “Yes, Randy is dangerous…” [Reaction close-up shot of horror on the face of Mr. Brokaw.]

Cowboy Attorney Spence continued, “Just like that bunny rabbit that just ran into that hole. If you reach your hand in there and grab him, he’s gonna BITE you!” [More horror, but a good point was made.]

Like Randy Weaver, I think I would leave the Christians in the Guns & God video alone. I don’t agree with them but they are probably good and decent people. And unlike most soybois today, they will actually fight for what they think is right.

Seventh-Day Adventist offshoot and creepy cult-leader David Koresh, on the other hand, he could have been easily arrested without a violent Waco incident ─ but instead the Feds wanted some PR that backfired.

Back again to the Turner Diaries ─ it was obvious to anybody who had read the book that it inspired ex-soldier Tim McVeigh, although the media did not want to call attention to White Nationalism at first. They would have then preferred to lump the Oklahoma City Federal Building-bombing with Middle Eastern terrorism if they could have. Also, McVeigh’s defense expressly said at his trial and in interviews that he was taking revenge for Ruby Ridge and Waco and that he was inspired by Dr. Pierce.

Unfortunately, I’m not aware that Dr. Pierce ever clarified any of this. McVeigh was just an idiot who deserved to be put to death. We don’t need more brave idiots.

If the ADL called Dr. Pierce “the most dangerous man in America,” that is not really a sterling endorsement of his effectiveness as a White Nationalist. The ADL is a scare-mongering organization which seeks what John Quincy Adams called “Monsters to Destroy,” and when they are successful in waving the proverbial bloody shirt of the Holocaust, the ZOG funds come pouring in. The same goes for most politicians who are bought and paid for.

I not only recommend that people read the Turner Diaries but I have given away many copies to my friends in the past. I don’t think that guerilla warfare is the answer to the problems of the White Man and ─ while entertaining and maybe thought-provoking ─ I don’t think that the TD was a very good manual for it either.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I am a 1st Amendment kind of guy who calls for open-debate. I don’t call for banning books. Anything has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, working-class White men are solid guys who are essential to civilization and to our society. But optics is also important. There is a good reason why soldiers and church missionaries keep clean-cut appearances and disciplined bearing.

Furthermore, some of the “welders” and the scruffy beerhall mug-tippers need to let others do the heavy thinking. WN have made a lot of mistakes over the decades and time is always short. At least we should be talking about these matters, and that is why I am here. Deeds are not always better than Words.

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Will WilliamsMarch 19, 2023 at 8:13 am
Scott (responding to me): I lost faith in Movement politics a long time ago.., I am not really a Movement guy. But these are things that we desperately need to discuss, despite this kind of “drama…” I am a 1st Amendment kind of guy who calls for open-debate… [S]ome of the “welders” and the scruffy beerhall mug-tippers need to let others do the heavy thinking.



You are certainly a deep thinker, Scott, not a Movement guy because you admit to being a a quitter. Forget “drama.” I’d rather discuss our cause with an independent-minded welder than "debate" or argue with a cocksure deep thinker who quotes WikiJews, thank you. ;o}



[F]rom my perspective as an agnostic or atheist, I question any kind of ethos ultimately based upon superstition.

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That’s smart. But atheists don’t believe in much at all, do they? They simply don’t believe in the other fellow’s spooks. Our people need a sound belief system.

Unlike Christianity, Cosmotheism is neither for the superstitious nor the gullible. It looks at eternal Laws of Nature scientifically; is grounded in reality and focused on preservation of our unique race. It doesn’t take deep thinking to understand the White Mans’s place in the Cosmos.

Pierce was not the first Cosmotheist thinker, he simply gave the worldview a name. He points to many from our past, like G.B. Shaw, who were Cosmotheist thinkers. One of my favorites was D.H. Lawrence, who wrote nearly a century ago:



The Cosmos is a vast living body of which we are still parts.
The Sun is a great heart whose tremors run through our smallest veins.
The Moon is a great nerve center from which we quiver forever…




“Written during the winter of 1929-30 and his last major work, Apocalypse is Lawrence’s radical criticism of the political, religious and social structures that have shaped Western civilization. In his view the perpetual conflict within man, in which emotion, instinct and the senses vie with the intellect and reason, has resulted in society’s increasing alienation from the natural world. Yet Lawrence’s belief in humanity’s power to regain the imaginative and spiritual values which alone can revitalize our world also makes Apocalypse a powerful statement of hope. Presenting his thoughts on psychology, science, politics, art, God and man, and including a fierce protest against Christianity, Apocalypse is Lawrence’s last testament, his final attempt to convey his vision of man and of the cosmos.”
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Tip o' the hat to Ray Wolbert for finding that D H. Lawrence quote for me. Teamwork!
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