ORIGINAL POST BY CHAIRMAN WILL WILLIAMS:
It seems I may have struck a nerve with this Scott fellow, as he's come back with another very long response to my reply to him -- 2,239 words! Under it I continue to promote our Alliance and Cosmotheism to those who gather at Counter-Currents to discuss the state of the race. For proper formatting, see: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/do ... dissident/
ScottMarch 17, 2023 at 8:04 pm
Will Willims wrote:
>> What movement is that, Scott? From some of the names you’ve dropped it’s clear you’ve been on the fringe of some movement for 40 years, but what are you doing these days besides reminiscing? <<
White Nationalism of course. I was an official supporter of the NSWPP/New Order but their rebranding in the early 1980s to esoteric Hitlerism and Zen National Socialism just went nowhere. I was never sold on Dr. Pierce’s “propaganda of the deed,” either ─ nor the idea of replacing well-disciplined and clean-cut storm troopers with sleeve-tattooed welders and motorcycle enthusiasts, and otherwise solid guys who mainly excelled at hoisting suds at meetings with boisterous and bland speakers.
I lost faith in Movement politics a long time ago with the spate of WN-related crimes in the 1980s. I don’t know exactly who is responsible but we certainly had a leadership deficit somewhere.
You asked what I do. Well, I have focused on doing academic research on Historical Revisionism and Holodenial and being clear about and willing to facilitate open and good-faith debate and discussion of the subject (if possible) without collecting too much negative attention.
I’m just clacking away from my “beep chair” and going through boring University archives. A lot of these dusty shelves are being destroyed as they are long forgotten materials. Occasionally I find something noteworthy like that the Swedish vacuum cleaner company Electrolux made poison gas generators such that the Germans during the war could have easily used to gas Jews with full due-process had they actually wanted to.
Eric Hunt was a talented media guy ─ and if he had been a little more cautious about approaching certain problems, he might still be producing informative Revisionist documentaries after raiding the Stanford Library. Eric told me once that he wanted to be “the Howard Stern of Holocaust Revisionism” and to move the Overton Window.
Well, stunts like grabbing the elderly Liar Elie Wiesel’s sleeve in an elevator are just not going to pay off for us on many levels. Commander Rockwell and Dr. Goebbels would have understood why and how otherwise to proceed.
Not to mention faux pas like actual assassinations and robberies ostensibly from the Movement ─ or whoever it was who bears ultimately responsible for those. I never remember Dr. Pierce “clarifying” any of it. Maybe it just happened like the kiddie porn found on a certain radio engineer’s laptop computer. These important issues are things that we White Nationalists need to be discussing and debating openly.
Will Williams wrote:
>> I watched nearly five minutes of the 40-year-old Guns and God video. That’s all I could take since it is not very realistic, not grounded in reality whatsoever. It wasn’t then and more so isn’t now. <<
I didn’t mean the video showed a realistic depiction of guerilla warfare training, LOL. The focus was more on thermonuclear war survival and defending themselves against societal collapse ─ but also on defending from anti-Christian or sectarian attacks.
I didn’t mention that much about the Christian angle in my comments above but this is also interesting because these people have certain cosmological convictions which gives them strength and solidarity.
Unfortunately, from my perspective as an agnostic or atheist, I question any kind of ethos ultimately based upon superstition. But they clearly do draw strength from it, as did the Mormons when faced with physical extermination from some other Christian sects in the aftermath of the so-called Second Awakening in 19th century America. They also had to fight the Injuns back before the Cavalry came running.
Guerilla Warfare is not the right approach anyway for various reasons. ZOG has all the necessary resources to deal with any insurgency ─ and if they failed to defeat certain Communist or Mohammedan factions globally after WWII until today it was because that was never really their goal. These vaunted Cold War or War on Terrah “police actions” did not sink or swim because of any shortage of John Rambos either.
The point is that the Christian Survivalists in the 1982 BBC documentary were doing basic para-military training ─ and it looked to me like they had the basics right. They were learning to drill, follow orders, learn teamwork, develop leadership, learn how to place pickets and to report activity up the chain-of-command, pull important guard and sentry duty until properly relieved. And last but not least, become proficient with small arms.
During the War Between the States, the Southerners were more effective soldiers per man than their Yankee counterparts. This was so not because Antebellum Southern values were necessarily better than in the North. Nor was it because the Confederates were usually deprived of provisions and manpower and better armaments, etc. It wasn’t because their officers might have had better military educations at West Point or VMI than their Northern counterparts either.
The Southerners made more effective soldiers per man simply because they were better woodsmen and hunters who understood how to shoot their own muskets.
Northern immigrants who were told they were fighting for Negroes may have often made good patriots, but they did not have those same frontier skills, even if they usually had more ball, bacon and beans when mobilized by the government.
My Confederate ancestor died of starvation and disease in a Union PoW camp at Alton, Illinois a few weeks before the awful Mr. Lincoln met his maker. He was a simple blacksmith who bought farm land in the South before the war and was therefore obligated to join Gordon’s regiment as a gunsmith and private soldier to defend his homestead and his neighbors against the perfidy of Northern aggression. He did not own Negroes and found them indolent and quixotic creatures.
After his Federal capture late in the war, he would have been willing to swear an oath of loyalty to the Union and to permanently move his family North to Southern Illinois to take care of his elderly parents (they were Copperheads originally from Tennessee) instead of continuing his imprisonment for “rebellion,” but this was not allowed.
Late in the war General Grant knew that the South suffered manpower shortages and therefore wanted to maximize the hardships for prisoners of both sides, so prionsers were not exchanged or paroled. Tens of thousands of White prisoners-of-war on both sides died wretched deaths in camps as a result. Very few of them actually owned slaves.
I jokingly call Dr. Pierce’s entertaining Turner Diaries novel the “Nat Turner Diaries” because of the prevailing Marxist Howard Zinn-view of American history which posits that the 2nd Amendment was about arming White peasants to put down Negro slave revolts. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights was either a Jewish/Masonic plot or a ploy of White Supremacy, depending on what Papist, Libertarian or Commie that you are talking to. Well, it was a White country, for sure, but unfortunately not explicitly enough. As usual, Dr. Zinn and fellow-travellers spouted complete nonsense. The guerilla war in the Turner Diaries was triggered by the “Cohen Act,” a national gun confiscation such as has already happened in other Anglosphere countries.
The point is that Nation-States have plenty of resources to put down criminals and fugitives if they want to. But the 2A does affirm the principle in black-letter-law that citizen militias can be formed for civil breakdowns amongst well-disciplined neighbors with their privately-owned infantry weapons. Small arms proficiency, not neighborhood nuclear superiority, is the necessary backbone of any infantry muster.
I haven’t read Hunter. Is that the one where some intrepid lone-activist snipers sport tactical bowl-cuts and assassinate coal-burners while out jogging in places like Salt Lake City ─ as was happening there in the 1970s-1980s by some of “our” guys? Note that in those days you rarely saw inter-racial couples in Utah, though this had long become mainstream in the South at that time.
According to Wikipedia, “Pierce dedicated Hunter to Joseph Paul Franklin who, the notice says, “saw his duty as a White man.” Franklin was a white supremacist serial killer who murdered up to 22 people in sniper-style attacks.”
I’m not calling for the novels to be banned. They are entertaining and thought-provoking, hopefully. But we WN do need to openly discuss matters like this on many levels.
I mentioned Pastor Richard Butler and his Aryan Nations church in Northern Idaho. Mr. Butler was accused of attempting to assassinate this local race-mixing activist named Bill Wassmuth who ran a front group for the SPLC called the Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment. You can Google him; both he and Mr. Butler died early in the 21st century. I thought that Bill Wassmuth was a Happy Merchant but it turns out that he was a defrocked Catholic priest who believed in un-whitening small White rural towns by sponsoring race-mixing events like dances to amuse Negroes brought in from afar to learn trades.
A bomb exploded in Wassmuth’s Idaho home when he was conveniently out for a jog or something ─ and he blamed the Aryan Nations. This is the origin of the future Ruby Ridge debacle.
Personally, I don’t believe that Richard Butler and his skinheads were guilty of anything more than a few pranks and chasing the loathsome Antifa off their compound with guns drawn ─ and like Dr. Pierce, their hearts were in the right place. However, they were very maladroit in the propaganda war. I followed this with great interest because I was a Radio and TV engineer in Idaho at the time, and unlike Kevin Alfred Strom, I still have my top-tier Amateur Radio license.
Yes, I am not really a Movement guy. But these are things that we desperately need to discuss, despite this kind of “drama.”
During Randy Weaver’s Ruby Ridge trial where he was accused in the media of being a “Violent White Supreemist,” the Feds having killed his wife and son was so egregious that he actually got the showboating “Cowboy Lawyer” Gerry Spence to defend him pro-bono. Weaver had been a paratrooper and sergeant in the U.S. Army, and Spence was interviewed on national TV by the “Baby Boomer” TV news anchor Tom Brokaw (who coined the awful “Greatest Generation” designation referring to his WWII elders).
Brokaw asked Spence on national TV: “Is Randy Weaver dangerous?”
As they strolled together through the Idaho woods with the TV cameraman in tow, attorney Gerry Spence adamantly replied: “Yes, Randy is dangerous…” [Reaction close-up shot of horror on the face of Mr. Brokaw.]
Cowboy Attorney Spence continued, “Just like that bunny rabbit that just ran into that hole. If you reach your hand in there and grab him, he’s gonna BITE you!” [More horror, but a good point was made.]
Like Randy Weaver, I think I would leave the Christians in the Guns & God video alone. I don’t agree with them but they are probably good and decent people. And unlike most soybois today, they will actually fight for what they think is right.
Seventh-Day Adventist offshoot and creepy cult-leader David Koresh, on the other hand, he could have been easily arrested without a violent Waco incident ─ but instead the Feds wanted some PR that backfired.
Back again to the Turner Diaries ─ it was obvious to anybody who had read the book that it inspired ex-soldier Tim McVeigh, although the media did not want to call attention to White Nationalism at first. They would have then preferred to lump the Oklahoma City Federal Building-bombing with Middle Eastern terrorism if they could have. Also, McVeigh’s defense expressly said at his trial and in interviews that he was taking revenge for Ruby Ridge and Waco and that he was inspired by Dr. Pierce.
Unfortunately, I’m not aware that Dr. Pierce ever clarified any of this. McVeigh was just an idiot who deserved to be put to death. We don’t need more brave idiots.
If the ADL called Dr. Pierce “the most dangerous man in America,” that is not really a sterling endorsement of his effectiveness as a White Nationalist. The ADL is a scare-mongering organization which seeks what John Quincy Adams called “Monsters to Destroy,” and when they are successful in waving the proverbial bloody shirt of the Holocaust, the ZOG funds come pouring in. The same goes for most politicians who are bought and paid for.
I not only recommend that people read the Turner Diaries but I have given away many copies to my friends in the past. I don’t think that guerilla warfare is the answer to the problems of the White Man and ─ while entertaining and maybe thought-provoking ─ I don’t think that the TD was a very good manual for it either.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I am a 1st Amendment kind of guy who calls for open-debate. I don’t call for banning books. Anything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, working-class White men are solid guys who are essential to civilization and to our society. But optics is also important. There is a good reason why soldiers and church missionaries keep clean-cut appearances and disciplined bearing.
Furthermore, some of the “welders” and the scruffy beerhall mug-tippers need to let others do the heavy thinking. WN have made a lot of mistakes over the decades and time is always short. At least we should be talking about these matters, and that is why I am here. Deeds are not always better than Words.
Will WilliamsMarch 19, 2023 at 8:13 am
Scott (responding to me): I lost faith in Movement politics a long time ago.., I am not really a Movement guy. But these are things that we desperately need to discuss, despite this kind of “drama…” I am a 1st Amendment kind of guy who calls for open-debate… [S]ome of the “welders” and the scruffy beerhall mug-tippers need to let others do the heavy thinking.
You are certainly a deep thinker, Scott, not a Movement guy because you admit to being a a quitter. Forget “drama.” I’d rather discuss our cause with an independent-minded welder than "debate" or argue with a cocksure deep thinker who quotes WikiJews, thank you. ;o}
[F]rom my perspective as an agnostic or atheist, I question any kind of ethos ultimately based upon superstition.
That’s smart. But atheists don’t believe in much at all, do they? They simply don’t believe in the other fellow’s spooks. Our people need a sound belief system.
Unlike Christianity, Cosmotheism is neither for the superstitious nor the gullible. It looks at eternal Laws of Nature scientifically; is grounded in reality and focused on preservation of our unique race. It doesn’t take deep thinking to understand the White Mans’s place in the Cosmos.
Pierce was not the first Cosmotheist thinker, he simply gave the worldview a name. He points to many from our past, like G.B. Shaw, who were Cosmotheist thinkers. One of my favorites was D.H. Lawrence, who wrote nearly a century ago:
The Cosmos is a vast living body of which we are still parts.
The Sun is a great heart whose tremors run through our smallest veins.
The Moon is a great nerve center from which we quiver forever…
“Written during the winter of 1929-30 and his last major work, Apocalypse is Lawrence’s radical criticism of the political, religious and social structures that have shaped Western civilization. In his view the perpetual conflict within man, in which emotion, instinct and the senses vie with the intellect and reason, has resulted in society’s increasing alienation from the natural world. Yet Lawrence’s belief in humanity’s power to regain the imaginative and spiritual values which alone can revitalize our world also makes Apocalypse a powerful statement of hope. Presenting his thoughts on psychology, science, politics, art, God and man, and including a fierce protest against Christianity, Apocalypse is Lawrence’s last testament, his final attempt to convey his vision of man and of the cosmos.”
Tip o' the hat to Ray Wolbert for finding that D H. Lawrence quote for me. Teamwork!