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[Will Williams]

Thanks for fixing that, RC. A couple of fellows at C-C pointed out that a URL I'd put there in that last comment, didn't work. Between the tiny type on this new laptop, my first, and my shitty glasses, I'd put it in wrong. Anyway itt's good that they caught it.

A positiveresult that comes from this is that at least two people who read C-C comments, probably more, attempted to access our sites from the link provided, even thought it was typed wrong by me. That is the point of this exercise.

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1976 was also the year Pierce formulated the necessary non-Semitic, non-Abrahamic spiritual foundation for Our Cause, that he named Cosmotheism. Read about this and order our recently published bible, here: http://coamotheistchurch.org/product/co ... am-pierce/

CalebMarch 19, 2023 at 1:11 pm

That link is dead (for me)

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AntipodeanMarch 19, 2023 at 4:39 pm

For me too, even when the typo is corrected. This article by Dr Pierce may provide an introduction.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/09/ou ... -l-pierce/

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Will Williams March 20, 2023 at 8:20 am

I apologize. When told that a link to an earlier nationalvanguard.org article I’d put in a comment here was “unclickable,” I started typing in each character of an URL address. Unfortunately, in typing in the 80 or so characters I see now that the “s” was left off of “http” and that cosmotheism is spelled wrong.

Oh well, putting ‘cosmotheism” in the NationalVanguard.org search block will bring up plenty of articles about Pierce’s ideology/philosophy besides his “Our Cause” speech.

Thanks to you, Caleb, and to Antipodean for helping to fix my blunder.

[RCavallius]

I think that's a positive result, too. I'm glad you're interacting over there. I used to check out Counter-Currents fairly regularly, but haven't been there in some time.

More Alliance members should go over there and interact respectfully. I'd like to, but I'm buried.

One of these days...

[Will Williams]

I think that's a positive result, too. I'm glad you're interacting over there. I used to check out Counter-Currents fairly regularly, but haven't been there in some time. More Alliance members should go over there and interact respectfully...

I hadn't checked in at C-C in a few days and the site doesn't notify when someone has responded to something I wrote there, but discovered this morning that my new <ahem!> friend, Scott, had responded to me eight days ago, so replied to him with this: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/do ... nt-1801691

Scott: March 20, 2023 at 6:05 pm
That is all well and good, Will, but things are not true just because some people say they are. It does not matter how pragmatic the superstition is, things do not become real out of nothing.

One thing about the Christian Survivalist group in the 1982 BBC documentary video is that they have a certain degree of hope and conviction that stems from their earnestly believing in a higher power ─ a supernatural God that looks out for them and hears their prayers. That is worth something for their morale, although it does not make it True.

Christians will have to decide if the universalism of their faith trumps White interests. From what I’ve seen most of them could care less about White Genocide, for lack of a better term, because ultimately their Cosmology is to “trust the plan, Friend. Jesus is a-comin’ soon.”

Yeah, I’m not a Movement Guy, precisely because historical revisionism isn’t a “Movement,” per se. It is instead a historiographical method like the Scientific Method, only applied to the art and science of History. Rigorous scholarship, and not some magical slam-dunk or two is how Holocaust mythology and propaganda will ultimately be defeated.

Revisionism is a method and not a Movement, but it does have important implications for the White Nationalist Movement, of course, and morale remains very important. But wishful thinking and superstition does not drive the historiography any more than whistling past the graveyard wards off the Devil.

In my lifetime Holocaust Revisionism has become a serious discipline in spite of being barely tolerated in the Marxist universities and by the Zionist political lobbies or other grievance gimme-groups that try to criminalize critical scrutiny of this important subject. There is a considerable body of critical scholarly literature available now, but still much to be done.



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Will Williams: March 28, 2023 at 7:50 am

Scott: That is all well and good, Will, but things are not true just because some people say they are. It does not matter how pragmatic the superstition is, things do not become real out of nothing… Christians will have to decide if the universalism of their faith trumps White interests. From what I’ve seen most of them could care less about White Genocide, for… Jesus is a-comin’ soon.”

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See, we agree on that much, Scott, but I’m not an atheist like you.

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Yeah, I’m not a Movement Guy, precisely because historical revisionism isn’t a “Movement,” per se.

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I can drop names like you did in a previous response. Nearly 30 years ago I was invited as a representative of the National Alliance to attend an intimate dinner at a German restaurant in Black Mountain, NC. Revisionist historians Ernst Zundel and David Irving spoke to invited guests. I asked them why the revisionist community kept their distance from those of us who were strict racial separatists -- not Christian, but revolutionary biological racial nationalists -- when it was obvious to me that they agreed for the most part with our position?

Mr. Zundel answered my question honestly, saying the separation was necessary so that revisionists might avoid the “racist” and “anti-Semite” smear. Did that strategy work for them? You decide.

Revisionist Fred Leuchter called me about another matter last month and in passing asked me if I would participate as NA Chairman in his quest to unite the racial nationalist cause with the revisionist community. I told him that is a far-fetched fantasy since we White racial preservationists, though appreciating their exposing of Jewish lies about WWII, the holocaust story, and more, will never compromise with certain leaders in the revisionist cause, who I won’t name here, who deny their race; some being open race-mixers or followers of the mythical christ. Frankly we will not compromise with race-mixers, nor those you have described as superstitious universalists whose ideologies are opposed to strict racial preservation, therefore ineligible for National Alliance membership. Our members like it that way.

In the end, bottom line: you revisionists must come our way, not we yours.

[Will Williams]

This fellow, Nick, was apparently a fan of Defendant Covington, so I felt it necessary to set him and some others at C-C straight: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/re ... -benefits/

Will Williams March 29, 2023

Nicolas Bourbaki: … There used to be a movement… It was The NorthWest Front and was led by the indomitable Harold A. Covington. When Harold passed away, it disintegrated…
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With good riddance, Nicolas. I showed that the outrageous political saboteur was domitable when I sued him for defamation back in 1996 and won a judgment. He shouldn’t have been attacking our National Alliance with his outrageous lies, or telling his followers that I was “John Doe #2, the deep cover FBI Special Agent who was Tim McVeigh’s handler,” and more.

Your Mr. Covington finally was forced to settle with me 18 years later after owing $250,00o. He never told his suckers about that or about his declaring bankruptcy in a failed attempt to avoid execution of my judgment. He was arguably the biggest fraud to ever gain a WN following.

[Will Williams]

Beau mentions NA favorably, so I responded. It gave me an opportunity to add that I was told today that the Jew Ron Unz (Unz.com) has some anonymous people attacking NA at his site. I haven't seen the smears myself, but if someone goes there and can find the attacks, please give me a link to them.

We are so used to being attacked by "movement" people that it never surprises me anymore. I always liked the saying, "If you're receiving flak you must be over the target."

https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/re ... -benefits/
Will Williams March 29, 2023 at 6:29 pm

Beau Albrecht: A while back, I was at a renaissance festival and met three charming young ladies who were National Alliance members. Who says there are no Fascist cuties?
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Probably the same “movement” folks who say the National Alliance is Fascist,” Beau — or that NA is “too rough.” Maybe some young girls who are sick of the multiracial miasma in which they find themselves, look around, find this document and it makes sense to them: What is the National Alliance? | National Alliance (natall.com)

I don’t know a thing about Jason Kessler other than his name is associated with the Charlottesville debacle, and frankly I don’t care to learn more. However, when I clicked on his name an archived C-C radio show came up from 11/30/21 with Greg interviewing JK, as well as attorneys Glen Allen and Sam Dickson, so I tuned in because I like and respect both. Poor JK has spent years embroiled in the lawfare of Charlottesville. One thing that caught my attention from him was when he reeled off a list of the alt-right leaders involved in that fiasco. Where are they all now? Was the alt-right another flash-in-the-pan “movement” that got a lot of media attention? Matt Heimbach? Really?

A friend just told me that our Alliance and I are being badmouthed on the millionaire Jew Ron Unz’s website, discouraging Whites from joining the National Alliance. I’m “a chairman who beats up women.” My wife of 20 years and our charming female members know better than that but some of the suggestible White who follow this Jew will not. NA must be doing something right for this controlled opposition site owned and run by a racial Jew to allow such smears. Maybe Unz resents that members of his chosen tribe are ineligible for NA membership?

[Will Williams]

Both Nick and Beau responded to my replies yesterday, above, so I responded back.

Will Williams March 30, 2023

Nicolas Bourbaki: March 30, 2023 Thanks for the info, Will.
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You’re welcome, Nick.

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… NorthWest Front was my 1st exposure to white identitarianism. I respected what he “appeared to be”.
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I’m not familiar with that term, but I’ll take your word that HAC was styling himself a white identitarianist when he first drew you into his scam.

Esse quam videri. Since he couldn’t be, he had to appear to be to attract folks like you. To him perception was everything, no matter if what he told you were lies.

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This was someone who participated in the civil war in Rhodesia and also in South Africa.
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Wrong. His participation in Rhodesia was as a cook, until he was booted out of the country as a troublemaker. He never participatde in S. Africa. That was a lie if he told you he did. So was his claimed participation in Vietnam a lie. Veterans called stolen valor on his phony military claims. He often repeated that I had not been a Special Forces Captain in my two tours in Vietnam — easily disproved when I provided my DD214. Why would he do that? Yet some of his suckers cared more about how he appeared to them that they did about documented truth.

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I couldn’t join the NWF as I couldn’t move to the Pacific NW… I’m not too familiar with the National Alliance.
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NA is easy to find, but don’t search for us on Google or you’ll be frightened away by WikiJew distortions, half-truths and outright lies, sourced from the ADL and SPLC hate groups. We’ve had the natall.com domain continuously since 1995. We don’t require members or supporters to relocate.

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And to Beau, who unlike Nick, seems to me to be recruitable: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/re ... -benefits/


Will WilliamsMarch 30, 2023

Beau Albrecht: As Captain Codreanu put it, “Fascism means first of all defending your nation against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your nation.” That’s what we’re about, isn’t it?
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Thank you, Beau. CC defines fascism correctly, yes, and he certainly was, as a man of his race, one of us, an ultranationalist and Jew fighter extraordinaire. But that was then in what must have been a racially homogeneous Romanian population.

Today his Orthodox Christian nationalism is a flawed ideology going up against the Jew, especially since that Church still will worship the Jews’ tribal god. Imagine his trying that in increasingly multiracial America, with its shrinking founding stock — us — and with the Jews controlling the levers of power they hold today.

Strict racial separation of Whites from Jews and other non-Whites is the only solution for preserving our precious, unique gene pool.

The National Alliance is racial nationalist, not Christian nationalist, and is more National Socialist than Fascist, putting preservation and defense of the race ahead of the nation [read: State], and in the case of America a failed state. A National Alliance government means, to paraphrase the courageous Iron Guard Captain:

[F]irst of all defending your race against the dangers that threaten it. It means the destruction of these dangers and the opening of a free way to life and glory for your race.”

Right? That’s what we’re really about, isn’t it? ;o}

Beau, please read this classic essay by William Pierce, written 53 years ago, to understand why our Alliance isn’t fascist and that those charming NA ladies you once met may have been cuties but weren’t fascist: Dr. William Pierce on the Difference between National Socialism and Fascism | National Vanguard

[Will Williams]

I can see the two comments above there on C-C that I put up early this morning, but don't see them listed in "Latest Comments." Perhaps they had already scrolled off?

Anyway, I just made another, here, responding to Jim Goad, a very good writer: https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/sh ... you-a-man/

Will Williams March 31, 2023 at 11:14 am [Actually more like 1:00am]

Audrey Hale was “trans” only in the sense that she started using male pronouns and referring to herself as “Aiden” — which happens to be, by far, the most stereotypical name of choice for a female-to-male tranny…

I did not know that. Thank you, Jim.

Miss Audrey had probably never heard of Audie “Shoot ‘Em Up” Murphey, a more logical masculine name than Aiden, since he died a dozen or so years before she was born.

I find it ironic that Miss Audrey had taken to using male pronouns.

[Will Williams]

I found this article worthy of a response, with the opportunity to introduce C-C readers to Hadding Scott's excellent article "Our Weapon: The Truth" on NV.
https://counter-currents.com/2023/03/anatomy-of-a-liar/

Will WilliamsApril 1, 2023 at 8:23 pm

Very important subject, Mr. Foster. Big Jewish lies and little harmless lies.

I despise liars, especially moral cowards who like to say they are in “this thing of ours,” and when we tell them unvarnished truths, dispelling big lies, such as these examples:

1) there is no equality among individuals nor among races;
2) the Jews’ holocaust story is hogwash;
3) that Jesus and his imaginary Jewish daddy up in the sky are not real, nor will they save our race,

… they know what we are telling them are truths and agree, but they don’t have the courage to repeat these same truths to others; they are liars by omission. That is the definition of moral cowardice. Telling the truth is our best weapon: Our Weapon: The Truth | National Vanguard

Under that image of Lying Hillary you write, While everyone has likely lied at some point, not everyone is a liar, however. Some lies are benign. Some are even kind. Some are necessary. I’m reminded of the only TV commercial for GEICO insurance that I ever liked: “Honest Abe,” standing behind his wife, is asked by Mrs. Lincoln, facing her dressing mirror, if the dress she’s wearing makes her look fat. What is he to do? Her ass is a yard wide. He is in a quandary, and gestures to her without saying anything, showing his thumb and forefinger pinched about a half inch apart (i.e., like “maybe just a little bit, Dear”). That did him no good at all. Mary Todd marched off in a huff, her feelings hurt. Abe should have lied and told her, “No, dear it makes you look marvelous, enchanting.”

[Will Williams]

Dr. Greg Johnson, who owns and runs C-C, put up a piece today that caught my attention: https://counter-currents.com/2023/04/ho ... -movement/

He's advising readers various reasons why, and the ways, they might choose to leave the WN movement. I knew Alcoholics Anonymous was for quitters, but the WN movement?
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Greg Johnson April 4, 2023 at 2:25 pm
Thanks. One of the worst traits of the movement is the tendency toward cults: quasi-religious cults and cults of personality. Cults of personality don’t happen by accident. They are intentionally fostered by people with extreme personality disorders. They consume the time, energy, idealism, and money of idealistic people by promising political change but instead just flush them down the black hole of a needy narcissist’s ego.

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Desert Flower April 4, 2023 at 2:49 pm
Yep

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Will Williams April 4, 2023 at 8:20 pm

Yep, indeed. But it moight be more helpful to identify and warn readers about the cult leaders, quasi-religious cult leaders and cults of personality leaders that are led by the identifiable men with personality disorders and their phony groups, rather than just name those types.

The worst of these arguably was one “Gen Sec” Harold A Covington, who for decades, from the 1970s until his death in 2018, leading one failed “movement” group after another, sabotaged legitimate pro-White leaders and groups with the most malicious lies imaginable. Much of his treachery is documented and saved here for anyone interested in a textbook example of a fraudulent “movement” leader: Setting the Record Straight by Hadding Scott | National Vanguard

Jews shut down that instructive site but it has since been resurrected.

As recent as last week here at C-C I witnessed a commentator who had been sucked into Covington’s final iteration of a phony “movement” group, the Northwest Front -- mostly because Covington, as sick as he was, had a talent for turning a phrase, and attracting lovers of fantasy fiction with several self-published “movement” novels.

Greg, you'll remember your 5,700-word interview with Covington 13 years ago, here: Interview with Harold Covington | Counter-Currents . Covington spins quite an elaborate yarn about himself, his novels, and his “movement” history. He failed to mention, however, the six-figure judgment I had won against him in 1998 for defamation. It’s too bad there are no comments under that interview. I recall there were plenty back then.

[Jim Mathias]

The "Movement" has a lot of talkers, Harold Covington was one of them and used to talk about bringing others down. Some movement! I could produce a movement that's more useful to our race on the porcelain throne.

But I will not. There are better things the Alliance is accomplishing I could be supporting. You'll see it in the mail soon, Will.