borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Grimork » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:54 pm

Riley Cox wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:05 pm
I wasn't making any comment on his fitness to join the Alliance, or to be any sort of representative or change-maker for our race. I was simply clarifying the details of the situation regarding his doxing, his Jewish ex-wife etc. I am only taking the most charitable interpretation of events with the information I have available. We may not want him among our ranks (and I doubt he'll ever want to join us anyway), but there's no sense in spreading false rumors about the guy.
That's fair, but at the same time that was kind of the point of my original comment. So I was just curious to hear your views on it when you brought up his Jewess being his ex-wife (which doesn't make a difference to me, as it doesn't change what I stated). I think you may be being a little too charitable with him, but to each his own. He wouldn't want to join us, but you can see how his ilk may be partially not fond of our rules when their founder is a race mixer and we are against that. It's not really a false rumor, his wife AT THE TIME was a Jew. He admitted this himself. But I digress. The only thing I was wrong about was the current status of said marriage. I think many of us don't care whether he was married to a Jewess last year or 20 years ago, but I understand some people feel differently than I do.

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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Robert Burns » Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:52 pm

Grimork wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:54 pm
Riley Cox wrote:
Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:05 pm
I wasn't making any comment on his fitness to join the Alliance, or to be any sort of representative or change-maker for our race. I was simply clarifying the details of the situation regarding his doxing, his Jewish ex-wife etc. I am only taking the most charitable interpretation of events with the information I have available. We may not want him among our ranks (and I doubt he'll ever want to join us anyway), but there's no sense in spreading false rumors about the guy.
That's fair, but at the same time that was kind of the point of my original comment. So I was just curious to hear your views on it when you brought up his Jewess being his ex-wife (which doesn't make a difference to me, as it doesn't change what I stated). I think you may be being a little too charitable with him, but to each his own. He wouldn't want to join us, but you can see how his ilk may be partially not fond of our rules when their founder is a race mixer and we are against that. It's not really a false rumor, his wife AT THE TIME was a Jew. He admitted this himself. But I digress. The only thing I was wrong about was the current status of said marriage. I think many of us don't care whether he was married to a Jewess last year or 20 years ago, but I understand some people feel differently than I do.
I just wanted you to have accurate information about it, that's all.

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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Richard_G_603 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:17 am

Back more towards the original topic, I beleive the hate for the NA is twofold from on WN/WS groups:

The first is fundamentally one of philosophy.
Cosmotheism effectively teaches that there are levels of consciousness/awareness, with the highest "level" being the understanding that we are but a stepping stone on the way to higher man, and higher man but a stepping stone on the way to godhood, the actualization of the universe, the victory of evolution and life over entropy; and that we must submit our lives to that purpose to find true meaning and fulfillment in our existence, because is is the purpose of our existence.
To those outside the NA, but in the "movement", this NA's cosmotheist doctrine can come across as non-sensical or arrogant. They are often operating on a more instinctual level of tribalism with an "us versus them" mentality to racialism, and tend to be short sited in their beliefs/ politics as a result; functionally becoming just angry reactionaries to the world around them. As a result the Na's claim (rightfully so) to a more solid spiritual foundation than they have causes them to react angrily because the simply do not or cannot understand the truth and significance of that claim

The second is perhaps a twinge of jealousy.
The national Alliance was a towering powerhouse for WN at it's peak. It had to be recognized, it had to be acknowledged, it had to be dealt with, and perhaps most of all, it made our enemies nervous and the conscious hopefull. No other group has truly ever carried the weight of the NA at it's height, and they all know that. So they fear/are jealous of our history. That is why they MUST malign us, that is why they MUST try to make us seem irrelevant. They cannot allow the racialy concious to think that we are a viable/good option, let alone the BEST and ONLY for our people's future. Because they are afraid that if the NA truly rises like a phoenix from the ashes, or like the tree from the seed after a wildfire, that they will lose their own members (and their money) to it when it becomes a powerhouse once again. When the momentum is gained and strength begins to grow, it will grow faster and faster over time because people will flock to the one group that actually seems capable of doing what it has set out to do. People will flock to the Alliance, leaving lesser groups behind, their leaders ego's and bank accounts deflated, which is what many of them fear most of all.

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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Robert Burns » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:10 pm

Richard_G_603 wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:17 am
Back more towards the original topic, I beleive the hate for the NA is twofold from on WN/WS groups:

The first is fundamentally one of philosophy.
Cosmotheism effectively teaches that there are levels of consciousness/awareness, with the highest "level" being the understanding that we are but a stepping stone on the way to higher man, and higher man but a stepping stone on the way to godhood, the actualization of the universe, the victory of evolution and life over entropy; and that we must submit our lives to that purpose to find true meaning and fulfillment in our existence, because is is the purpose of our existence.
To those outside the NA, but in the "movement", this NA's cosmotheist doctrine can come across as non-sensical or arrogant. They are often operating on a more instinctual level of tribalism with an "us versus them" mentality to racialism, and tend to be short sited in their beliefs/ politics as a result; functionally becoming just angry reactionaries to the world around them. As a result the Na's claim (rightfully so) to a more solid spiritual foundation than they have causes them to react angrily because the simply do not or cannot understand the truth and significance of that claim

The second is perhaps a twinge of jealousy.
The national Alliance was a towering powerhouse for WN at it's peak. It had to be recognized, it had to be acknowledged, it had to be dealt with, and perhaps most of all, it made our enemies nervous and the conscious hopefull. No other group has truly ever carried the weight of the NA at it's height, and they all know that. So they fear/are jealous of our history. That is why they MUST malign us, that is why they MUST try to make us seem irrelevant. They cannot allow the racialy concious to think that we are a viable/good option, let alone the BEST and ONLY for our people's future. Because they are afraid that if the NA truly rises like a phoenix from the ashes, or like the tree from the seed after a wildfire, that they will lose their own members (and their money) to it when it becomes a powerhouse once again. When the momentum is gained and strength begins to grow, it will grow faster and faster over time because people will flock to the one group that actually seems capable of doing what it has set out to do. People will flock to the Alliance, leaving lesser groups behind, their leaders ego's and bank accounts deflated, which is what many of them fear most of all.
I can actually understand the first kind to a certain degree, because many people simply find Cosmotheism difficult to understand. I've run into many who simply think that "scientific religion" is an absurd oxymoron, and they just can't imagine a religion being based on a grounded, Natural spirituality without superstition. No, there must be ghosts and magic and spooky rituals or else it isn't religion.

borzoi is definitely one who seems to believe this, and he probably falls into the second category as well, so that likely explains the extra hostility compared to the other skeptical individuals on their forum.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I did discover that Mike is indeed a Jew, and he admitted to this on his own show several times. He's definitely pretty anti-Jew for a Jew, but a Jew is a Jew. Not sure how I missed this before, but there it is.

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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Jim Mathias » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:42 pm

Richard G., your take on Cosmotheism/National Alliance with respect to other groups has the ring of truth to it. Well said. We can and must carry on with our Founder's vision, improving upon it when we can. We've stood on the shoulders of giants to see Eternal things that matter and know our task. As we concentrate on our goals, let the others bite ineffectually at our ankles.
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Re: borzoi of TRS erases my post about Cosmotheism

Post by Richard_G_603 » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Jim Mathias wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:42 pm
Richard G., your take on Cosmotheism/National Alliance with respect to other groups has the ring of truth to it. Well said. We can and must carry on with our Founder's vision, improving upon it when we can. We've stood on the shoulders of giants to see Eternal things that matter and know our task. As we concentrate on our goals, let the others bite ineffectually at our ankles.
Thank you Jim, I'm trying my best to internalize and process through cosmotheism. Thankfully to my background as a Christian pastor (no longer) I have experience seeing how various kinds of doctrines and philosophies can cause different kinds of divisions and reactions. Near universally, philosophical/academic doctrines almost always receive scorn and misrepresentation from those more on the "fundementalist" side of the spectrum. Cosmotheism is one such doctrine, and many to most in the WN movement unfortunately reside on the "fundementalist" side of things, so it's unsurprising to see this type of reaction.

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