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[Will Williams]

Canned Food responded. Decent fellow, but not very serious it seems: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/ge ... g-shadows/ I took the opportunity to promotr Kevin's killer ADV today about the Black, er, uh, octoroon Pope, since no one else had mentione the new Pope there yet.


Will Williams: May 11, 2025

Canned Food Aficianado: May 11, 2025 “That’s your takeaway from Goad’s clever, fact-filled review of a couple of liberal authors’ books on two racial leaders — one White the other Black. Really?”

I was trying to fill the void of commentless weekends on this site by saying something light and “kooky.” No, of course that’s not my takeaway. But abler minds like you can talk about the serious stuff, so why should I (and I mean that, I think you’re a good commenter and have learned from your comments)? What I perhaps should have written was, why did Goad say Wallace was short? 5’8 is not short, it’s near average.
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Height is relative, 5'-8" is short to a 6-footer and tall to a 5-footer. Goad had apparently read about their heights in the books he was reviewing.

I'm pleased you have learned a thing or two from my comments on C-C.  I was looking for something about the new Pope where I could make a comment but there is nothing. His big appointment/love fest this week has serious racial aspects. I found this on C-C from 2019: Hope for a Non-White Savior. Its opening sentence is "Some on the Dissident Right hope that the next Pope will be black."

Those on the "Dissident Right" who had hoped that back then, whether they know it or not, have gotten their wish, and one would think that it should be a topic of discussion on Counter-Currents -- so here goes from Kevin Strom on today's American Dissident Voices broadcast: The Octoroon Pope | National Vanguard

Now the new Leo is just as much, if not more, anti-White than was Francis. His support for open borders, the “migrant” masses, and the cult of George Floyd are all on the record, along with many other evils. But you can’t really call him a traitor to the White race — for the simple reason that he is not entirely White, far from it in fact. Now he may be 65% or 80% White, the records are not absolutely clear on such things. But he is definitely part-Black, somewhere in Quadroon or Octoroon territory — and such things show; and such things matter, very much. The media have been crowing about this, in fact, with the White woman talking head on Jew-run ABC’s Good Morning America, Kyra Phillips (former wife of someone named John Assad), gushing about how having a part-Black “American” as Pope is “just incredible” and “I love that!” and “this is such a representation of the American story” as she disclosed that Leo is a descendant of “Creole people of color” on his mother’s side. His father’s side — evidently all of European ancestry — was not worthy of mention by all-smiles Phillips. Phillips literally glowed as she expressed the view that Leo’s Black ancestry must be “of great significance for Black Americans,” who are apparently expected to revel with joy at the thought of being part of a Mulatto / Octoroon future in which their race, too, will be subsumed — or, perhaps more accurately though all unstated, revel with joy at the contamination and future disappearance of the hated Whites regardless of all other consequences.

An ABC article posted under the Phillips video clip stated:

Both of Leo XIV’s maternal grandparents, Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, are described as Black or mulatto in several census documents...

Read more at the link, racially conscious White Catholics, and weep.

[Will Williams]

I'd never heard the word incel until seeing it batted around on C-C. I'll never use the word myself. It's a good sign when a C-C commenter quotes Dr. Pierce, however it will be better if, like Dillon Rau does here on WB, when quoting WLP he provides the sources of his quotes: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/cl ... evolution/



Will Williams: May 11, 2025

Anomaly: May 10, 2025 Dr. William Pierce: “When a father had some authority over his daughter, and a husband over his wife, another male approached either at his peril. Not only did female dependence carry with it the need for protection, but it also stimulated in the male the desire to provide that protection. The entire community was behind the man who drew his sword or his gun in defense of his womenfolk.

Today, when a wife may be more of a roommate than a mate and it is a rare father who has any authority at all over his teen-aged daughter, both the compelling urge and the legal right of a man to protect his women seem much less clear-cut. In response to an interloper he is more likely to telephone his lawyer than reach for his shotgun. Again, because of that he is less a man, and he knows it. So do his women.“

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…I have refrained from stating some stories about those from my town and school that occurred because of lack of male authority. I believe only the harsh measures we used in the past can correct the mess we’re living in.
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You do not give the source for that Pierce quote, Anomaly, but thank you for providing it. Your conclusion is correct.

I found some more Pierce wisdom on the negative impact of feminization on our race, here: The Legacy of Dr. William Pierce: Dr. Pierce on Feminism: The Great Destroyer

...Irrationality seems to be the rule rather than the exception in public affairs these days. Feminism, of course, is just another exercise in reality denial, which has become such a common pastime. There are too many people out there who seem to believe that if we pretend that men and women are the same, they really will be; that if we pretend there are no differences between Blacks and Whites except skin color, the differences will disappear; that if we pretend that homosexuality is a normal, healthy condition, it will be.

Feminism is one of the most destructive aberrations being pushed by the media today, because it has an immediate effect on nearly all of us. There are many sectors of the economy, for example, in which racial-quota hiring and promotion – so-called “affirmative action” — isn’t a real problem, and so White people who work in those sectors remain relatively unaffected by the racial aspects of America’s breakdown, but feminism is becoming pervasive; there are few relationships between men and women, especially between younger men and women, which will not suffer from the effects of feminism in the near future.

When homosexuals come out of the closet and women go into politics, empires crumble. Or, to say that a way which more accurately reflects the cause-effect relationship, when empires begin to crumble, then the queers come out of the closet and women go into politics. Which is to say, that in a strong, healthy society, feminism isn’t a problem. But when a society begins to decay — when the men lose their self-confidence — then feminism raises its head and accelerates the process of decay.

[Will Williams]

Let's talk racial separation between the National Alliance and the Nation of Islam: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/ge ... nt-1854258



Will WilliamsMay 11, 2025

Let’s All Drink to the Death of a Clown: May 11, 2025 I love the two pictures of George Lincoln Rockwell in full Brownshirt regalia sitting at a NOI rally flanked on each side by twin brothers also wearing the uniforms…
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I recall that first memorable photograph well. Thanks. It did not take much courage for GLR and friends to confront those NOI brothers like that — mostly just confidence.

My similar “debate” with the top NOI leader in North Carolina 30 years ago showed that his Black separatist group and our White counterpart group had much more in common than the listening audience that day had been told by controlled media.

Listen or read here: Forward Vision | National Vanguard

[…]

Will Williams: Mr. Muhammad, don’t you advocate the same thing? Uniting, based on common blood?

Muhammad: We most definitely advocate that.

Will Williams: We’re in agreement, then. Just like I said — we have nationalism versus the internationalism of the Jews, the “New World Order” that’s represented by Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, all these guys — these White guys that are supposedly “White leaders,” but they don’t represent me. They are internationalists. What we need is nationalism. And we’re willing to work with Black separatists. But we’re not going to be called “haters” and deal with people who call us haters.

[…]

[Black integrationist co-host Barry] Saunders: I tell you what, my head is spinning over this unlikely alliance between Mr. Williams and Brother Muhammad.

[The other Black integrationist co-host Sheila] Stewart: You’re not alone.

Saunders: Brother Muhammad, though, is there any difference between what you guys think and what Mr. Williams’ group is espousing?

Muhammad: The general principle of separation — I think that stands for itself.

Read and/or listen to more of this remarkable interview of me this three Blacks at the link.

[Will Williams]

It was good to see a C-C commenter putting up good Pierce quotes there. I asked him what the source of those quotes was and the next day he answered me. This is our exchange over a couple of days: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/cl ... evolution/ We'll try to get Dr. Pierce's "Sexuality in a Sick Society" to where in belongs: on NV instead of where it was stolen.



Will Williams: May 11, 2025

Anomaly: May 10, 2025 Dr. William Pierce: “When a father had some authority over his daughter, and a husband over his wife, another male approached either at his peril. Not only did female dependence carry with it the need for protection, but it also stimulated in the male the desire to provide that protection. The entire community was behind the man who drew his sword or his gun in defense of his womenfolk.

Today, when a wife may be more of a roommate than a mate and it is a rare father who has any authority at all over his teen-aged daughter, both the compelling urge and the legal right of a man to protect his women seem much less clear-cut. In response to an interloper he is more likely to telephone his lawyer than reach for his shotgun. Again, because of that he is less a man, and he knows it. So do his women.“

* * * * *

…I have refrained from stating some stories about those from my town and school that occurred because of lack of male authority. I believe only the harsh measures we used in the past can correct the mess we’re living in.
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Will Williams: May 11, 2025
You do not give the source for that Pierce quote, Anomaly, but thank you for providing it. Your conclusion is correct.

I found some more Pierce wisdom on the negative impact of feminization on our race, here: The Legacy of Dr. William Pierce: Dr. Pierce on Feminism: The Great Destroyer

...Irrationality seems to be the rule rather than the exception in public affairs these days. Feminism, of course, is just another exercise in reality denial, which has become such a common pastime. There are too many people out there who seem to believe that if we pretend that men and women are the same, they really will be; that if we pretend there are no differences between Blacks and Whites except skin color, the differences will disappear; that if we pretend that homosexuality is a normal, healthy condition, it will be.

Feminism is one of the most destructive aberrations being pushed by the media today, because it has an immediate effect on nearly all of us. There are many sectors of the economy, for example, in which racial-quota hiring and promotion – so-called “affirmative action” — isn’t a real problem, and so White people who work in those sectors remain relatively unaffected by the racial aspects of America’s breakdown, but feminism is becoming pervasive; there are few relationships between men and women, especially between younger men and women, which will not suffer from the effects of feminism in the near future.

When homosexuals come out of the closet and women go into politics, empires crumble. Or, to say that a way which more accurately reflects the cause-effect relationship, when empires begin to crumble, then the queers come out of the closet and women go into politics. Which is to say, that in a strong, healthy society, feminism isn’t a problem. But when a society begins to decay — when the men lose their self-confidence — then feminism raises its head and accelerates the process of decay.

Anomaly: May 11, 2025 at 11:25 pm
Source is “Sexuality in a Sick Society” by Dr. Pierce.

Will Williams: May 12, 2025

Anomaly: May 11, 2025 Source is “Sexuality in a Sick Society” by Dr. Pierce.
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Thank you for that, Anomaly. Though the National Alliance owns copyrights on Dr. Pierce’s entire body of work, when I put ‘Sexuality in a Sick Society’ in the Nationalvanguard.org search block it did not come up.

However, when I did a wider ‘Net search for ‘nationalvanguard.org sexuality in a sick society’, oddly enough, I found it here: Vanguard News Network » Blog Archive » Sexuality In a Sick Society

That’s the National Alliance-hater and thief Alex Linder’s site. Thievery is what Linder does; such is the “movement.” I’ll try to get this talk by Pierce to where it belongs: on the site he founded 30 years ago.

[Will Williams]

I've been having problems with formatting for some reason, but wanted to mention to Peter Quint that we had a similar takeaway to this book review by Jim Goad from 1997: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/ge ... g-shadows/
We recognized the suggestion by Goad that the FBI protects the (((primary American power structure)))


Will Williams: May 12, 2025

Peter Quint: May 11, 2025 at 11:52 pm A masterful bit of prose, each sentence building and melding into the next. There were no superfluous adjectives, adverbs, and verbs. The author adroitly compared, and contrasted each book to the following conclusion: If the United States government was infiltrating the Nation of Islam and the women’s movement at the same time that it was sending spies into the Klan and the Minutemen, it stands to reason that none of these groups represented the (((primary American power structure))). Rather, they were threats to the established order. The FBI’s main duty seems to be to ensure that Americans continue peacefully arguing among themselves. Again, an adept command of the English language to lead the reader to the conclusion that things may not be what they seem to be.
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I, on May 11, 2025 at 4:37 am, had asked Canned Food Aficionado if [boiled peanuts] was his takeaway from Goad’s clever, fact-filled review of a couple of liberal authors’ books on two racial leaders — one White the other Black. Really?

…It’s probably more apt to say [power] wears no face at all. If the United States government was infiltrating the Nation of Islam and the women’s movement at the same time that it was sending spies into the Klan and the Minutemen… none of these groups represented the primary American power structure. Rather, they were threats to the established order. The FBI’s main duty seems to be to ensure that Americans continue peacefully arguing among themselves.

That paragraph had caught my attention. Made me wonder if Mr. Goad ever wrote an honest piece about the “primary American power structure” and the FBI’s role in protecting it. I’m referring to organized Jewry’s power structure. Go after small factions of Blacks and Whites but stay clear of that other race: what he calls the well-documented primary American power structure.

[Will Williams]

Hyacinth clarifies to me what she had awkwardly stated earlier. It seems now that she and I agree on the necessity of total separation of the races -- at least Blacks and Whites: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/ra ... ng-broken/ She is coming around.



Will Williams: May 12, 2025

Hyacinth Bouquet: May 11, 2025 Will, I take your point… I guess one thing we might agree on: Blacks simply must not be allowed access to White societies…
I want nothing from blacks except permanent separation.

I agree with both of your statements, highlighlited above, Hyacinth. Imagine how it will be when millions of Whites agree with racial separation instead of thousands.

I have little confidence that when I put up the URL to a relevant National Vanguard essay like this one at C-C, that it will appear when clicked on by the viewer: Richard McCulloch’s The Racial Compact – Part Four – Separation for Preservation | National Vanguard

AdamMil has sugggested to me that I use “real links” if I want to increase traffic to essays I suggest on C-C. I’m a computer idiot who has been thinking all along that an essay’s URL is a real link. Oh, well, Adam was somehow able to find an essay I’d provided, despite the unreal link I’d put up and he even put up a hyperlink to it. Thanks, Adam. I’ve never learned how to do hyperlinks

So, anyway, if the reader can find the essay that I try to link to above, he will find such wisdom as this from Mr. McCulloch:

There is already a law of biology (Gause’s law of exclusion) which states that multiple animal species with the same requirements cannot coexist in the long term in the same habitat. One will eventually replace the others, which will become extinct. This law can also be applied to human races occupying the same territory: one race will eventually assimilate or replace its competitors.

Interesting. I’ve been pointing out for years that environmentalists use the term “habitat succesession” to describe this phenomenon among competing sub-species, while they ignore that human races must follow this same law of Nature.

[Will Williams]

I couldn't let this nonsense about the alleged nigger "NatSoc" pass without weighing in with some serious displeasure: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/bu ... heils-bro/ I'm on C-C to radicalize a few Whites who gather there to read about racial issues, not to make friends or to get "likes."




Will Williams: May 12, 2025

James Betony: I was thinking that maybe…maybe…we could all get serious.
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With all due respect, James, you must know that it’s way past time for that.

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But say, for argument’s sake, [The race-mixing nigger rapper] sticks it out, goes full NatSoc and stays there till the very end. What does that have to do with us, with helping our supposedly beloved white [sic] race?
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Nothing. Nothing at all. The White race is more “beloved” to some, a very few, than to most others. That nigger celebrity uses what you call “NatSoc” merely for its perceived negative shock value. His life is about little more than pursuing money and deracinated white females.

As a serious White separatist, what came to my mind as I read your piece was what Ben Klassen asked decades ago: Who Needs Niggers?

Not I. Some will be offended by that. So what? I do not want to see ’em, or hear ’em, or smell ’em. The offended are free to go spend their worthless lives on <ahem!> “pro-white social media.”

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The chorus was, “Nigger, heil Hitler! Nigger, heil Hitler! Nigger, heil Hitler!”… I’m aware that whites indulge in rap — and I’d like to see that stop… [The clip] was posted on pro-white social media and showed what seemed to be a healthy pro-white couple.
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“Seemed to be?” Goes to show the worthlessness of so much non serious, alleged “pro-white social media.”

[Will Williams]

It doesn't matter how many times some folks who style themselves pro-White are told that WikiJews are anti-White on issues concerning race, they will continue to cite WikiJews as a reliable source, even on allegedly pro-White platforms.https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/bu ... heils-bro/ It goes to show why NA does best to deal with those Whites who are attracted to Alliance material and not waste our time with those who are not. What I say to Kim is not so much for her benefit as for others' who will read it.



Will Williams: May 13, 2025

Kim: May 12, 2025 Just one example [of a pathway to a sane and healthy White society]: Orania, South Afrika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania
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Thanks for that, Kim. I won’t repeat again why William Pierce wrote that the Boers failed to prevail over Black South Africans. You will not read it.

Did you actually read what WikiJews say in that piece you recommend? It’s an interesting, fact-filled read, but hardly backs the idea of the town of Orania in a positive light. Why the area was chosen:

…[A]n economically underdeveloped and semi-desert area in the north-western Cape.[11] This desert state, Orandeë, because of its very inhospitableness would not be feared or coveted by the [Black] South African government…

Being surrounded by hostile Blacks, Orania will eventually fail if only because it is a landlocked semidesert patch. WikiJews have much negative to say about Orania, like:

In 1991, the New York Times was not as impressed when it said that Orania was a “ghost town where White supremacists dream of carving out an idyllic homeland”.[81] In 1994 the Los Angeles Times described it as a “Zealots’ Dream” and “a bastion of intolerance”.[82] A year later the Chicago Tribune saw it as “the last pathetic holdout of the former ruling class of South Africa”, continuing that “the Afrikaners who once forced blacks to live apart from the rest of society are now living in their own prison”.[83] Bill Keller dubbed Orania “the racist Camelot”.[84] A Mail & Guardian article describes it as a “widely ridiculed town” and a “media byword for racism and irredentism”.[77] An article in The Independent similarly writes that residents of Orania “have a reputation for being racists, and that the town attracts plenty of negative press”.[78] Benjamin Pogrund described Orania as a “curious hangover from the vanished terrible past”.[85] Vadim Nikitin, writing for The National in 2011, described the conventional narrative about Orania as the last bastion of apartheid, and a “pathetic outpost of embittered racists” who refuse to live in equality with black South Africans…

And on and on and on from anti-White sources.

Our race can do better than Orania, if we don’t get serious and don’t run out of time to organize first.

[Will Williams]

I may sound a bit paranoic here, suggesting that I may have been "shaddow banned," but apparently links I've put to NV articles in comments at C-C were not viewable. I know that some people from C-C found us, but no one had told me others hadn't until recently: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/bu ... heils-bro/ Oh, well, no one said it would be easy. One of these days I may have someone here at the National Office who can advise me on Internet issues.


Will Williams: May 13, 2025

Scott: May 13, 2025 And this is one for Woke, which is problematical because the grammar for “awakened” or “enlightened” here is rather awkward and also intentionally Negrified.

Woke : “Disparaging. as used by political opponents, of or relating to a liberal progressive orthodoxy.
Slang. aware of the facts, true situation, etc. (sometimes used facetiously)”

Anyway, you won’t go wrong if you develop a practice of checking the dictionary
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Thank you, Scott. Good advice but most will ignore it. 

Defined as aware of the facts? That is so deliberately misleading.

Five years ago I put up the following about "woke" in NA's forum, whitebiocentrism.com in the "Lexicon" sub-topic of its Enemy section. I won't bother to put the URL link to it here since I've been informed that doing that often doesn't work for readers. I'm not sophisticated enough with how the Internet works, but it reminds me of what WikiJews call "shadow banning:  partly concealing, or making a user's contributions invisible or less prominent to other members of the service," My suspicions are probably wrong, but until I learn how to properly link to an article, I'll deal with it as I can.

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Woke?
Post by Will Williams » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:17 pm

I don't pretend to be an English grammar scholar, but I know bad English when I hear it and "woke" is bad English, like Negroidal Ebonics, or something. I refuse to use "woke" or even to acknowledge its use, thanks.

Seems I'm right. Found this: Despite the recent spike in its usage, ‘woke’ is not a new word. It was first used in the 1940s and was created as a political term by black Americans. It means to be awake to issues of social justice and racial justice.

I axe you, what self-respecting White person would talk like a street nigger?
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[Will Williams]

I'd always remembered this Hitler quote about America, then found it: https://counter-currents.com/2025/05/bu ... heils-bro/



Will Williams: May 13, 2025

NS Crusty Punk: May 13, 2025 ...This rubbish should be shunned, condemned and ignored by every White person World-wide… Anyway, what did AH (you know who…) say about American trash-culture again?
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From his Table Talk during WWII, but might better describe America today?

I don’t see much future for the Americans … it’s a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities … my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance … everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it’s half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?