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[Will Williams]

Lord Shang, the number two commentator at Counter-Currents under C-C owner Dr. Greg Johnson, took great offense at my comment under the report about the Political Cesspool conference: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/th ... onference/

Whether I'll be able to radicalize the alleged 3,500 folks on C-C's mailing list to be more Piercean in their thinking remains to be seen. but I will continue trying to bring them our way.


Will Williams: May 26, 2024
Lord Shang: May 26, 2024 Vanguards are fine, but at some point they have to attain actual power – and that means moving the mainstream closer to their position.

The National Alliance will always remain a tiny ideological sect because the vast majority of whites [sic] are either seculars, who trend Left/egalitarian (why that should be so I have no idea), or Christians, and despite Pierce’s brilliance, his agenda is seen as morally repugnant by both groups – and I doubt that will ever change. Those who believed as Pierce did were mostly dead by 1945.

For those who care only about preventing white [sic] extinction, as I do, and not at all about cosmotheism or other racial irrelevancies, the road to our racial salvation runs through Christianity…
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Ugh! I was born in 1947, Lord, and many new Cosmotheists or Alliance members who follow Pierce’s teachings were born in this century, so what will you and your Christians do about them?

Far be it from me to argue vanguardism with you, Lord. I can just say from what you’ve written here that for all your worth you are not Alliance material.

You, sir, are in the mainstream that finds the brilliance of Pierce morally repugnant. You see NA not as a vanguard, a core group that holds a new consciousness for change for our race, but as simply an insignificant, “tiny ideological sect” that can get nowhere because it does not appeal to the herd that stills either hangs on to <gasp!> Jewish Christianity or <double gasp!!> “Left/egalitarianism” — also Jewish — or both.

Pierce launched NA and Cosmotheism 50 years ago as vanguards in the sense that they are the forefront of a movement for White renewal decades before the term was co-opted in 1995 by © The Vanguard Group, Inc., that ranks right up there with the powerful anti-White, Jew-run BlackRock behemoth.

NationalVanguard.org picked up Jonathan Bowden’s excellent essay “Vanguardism: Hope for the Future” from counter-currents.com. Allow me to quote the inimitable Mr. Bowden:

There are more of us than ever before, but it’s always a question of quality as against quantity in this life, because what I am going to propose is that instead of looking at demographic and quantity-based analyses, quantitative ways of looking at things, let’s look at qualitative ways of looking at things. Let’s look at quality. Let’s look at elitism. Let’s look at the fact that all groups need a vanguard…

All people who have a vanguard, an elitist mentality, are regarded as partly mad by their own groups, because the majority of people do not want to know. The majority of people wish to live their own life in their own way, and they only look at these broader questions when life impinges upon them and comes upon them, and the hand of life grasps them by the collar and they really cannot do any other thing but notice what is in front of them…

Many of the reasons our people do not seem to have a sense of solidarity amongst themselves in relation to the degree that some other groups could be said to have is because a significant number of them have never been kicked, have never felt what it is as a group to be disprivileged in a society. Unfortunately, in certain areas of British and continental life now and North American life that process for some, and certainly not at the top or middle of the society, is beginning. They’re beginning to realize what it is like to be a minority or what it is like to be culturally disprivileged or what it is like to be dispossessed in a way…

That spirit will grow, but it will only feed into consciousness in a number of select minds, because the bulk of people are not drawn to be in a vanguard formulation. People will only listen to a vanguard when they are desperate. They will only listen to a vanguard when they think there is no other hope.

Make no bones about it, what vanguard Caucasians think about their future is watched and is listened to by liberals and by all the other groups [including Christians]. So, the idea that what we do and what we say and what we think has no relevance or no purport is not true.

[Will Williams]

I did not read Jim Goad's article about a nigger "gangsta rapper": https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/th ... -pipeline/ However I did answer a commentator's question about who produces that noise, using links to both NV and WB, even WikiJews, because I can.

Will Williams: May 26, 2024

kolokol: May 24, 2024 So-called “rap music” does not qualify as any kind of music. It is psycho-shit, not music. It is ugly, evil and stupid… Who produces so-called “rap music”? What is their motive for financing its production and distribution?
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Motive? Who knows why parasitic Jews do what they do to their host? But as for how, the following from the National Alliance’s “Who Rules America?” is a little outdated now, but with the “changing of the Jews” it is an iron pipe cinch that those running America’s music industry today are still members of the treacherous anti-White Tribe:

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America’s largest record company, with 50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of “gangsta rap.” Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope’s acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner’s publishing division is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstein, a Jew. He controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books, Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially “negotiating” with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, “AOL Time Warner takes grip of net radio,” 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner’s Lesson: “Be very careful with whom you merge.”

Read more of the fascinating expose about how Jews control not only the popular music industry in America but the greater news and entertainment media that shape America’s mass mind to accept race-destroying miscegenation and LGBT freaks: (182) Who Rules America? Project – Page 2 – White Biocentrism

Even Wiki Jews tell about just how Jewed American popular music has been for decades, here, if one knows what to look for, reading between the lines: MCA Records – Wikipedia

Andrew Hamilton provides a more recent update about Jewish control of mass media with “NBC, Comcast, and What We’re Really Up Against” at nationalvanguard.org

[Will Williams]

Lord Shang, the number two commentator at Counter-Currents under C-C owner Dr. Greg Johnson, took great offense at my comment under the report about the Political Cesspool conference: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/th ... onference/

Whether I'll be able to radicalize the alleged 3,500 folks on C-C's mailing list to be more Piercean in their thinking remains to be seen. but I will continue trying to bring them our way.


Will Williams: May 26, 2024
Lord Shang: May 26, 2024 Vanguards are fine, but at some point they have to attain actual power – and that means moving the mainstream closer to their position.

The National Alliance will always remain a tiny ideological sect because the vast majority of whites [sic] are either seculars, who trend Left/egalitarian (why that should be so I have no idea), or Christians, and despite Pierce’s brilliance, his agenda is seen as morally repugnant by both groups – and I doubt that will ever change. Those who believed as Pierce did were mostly dead by 1945.

For those who care only about preventing white [sic] extinction, as I do, and not at all about cosmotheism or other racial irrelevancies, the road to our racial salvation runs through Christianity…
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Ugh! I was born in 1947, Lord, and many new Cosmotheists or Alliance members who follow Pierce’s teachings were born in this century, so what will you and your Christians do about them?

Far be it from me to argue vanguardism with you, Lord. I can just say from what you’ve written here that for all your worth you are not Alliance material.

You, sir, are in the mainstream that finds the brilliance of Pierce morally repugnant. You see NA not as a vanguard, a core group that holds a new consciousness for change for our race, but as simply an insignificant, “tiny ideological sect” that can get nowhere because it does not appeal to the herd that stills either hangs on to <gasp!> Jewish Christianity or <double gasp!!> “Left/egalitarianism” — also Jewish — or both.

Pierce launched NA and Cosmotheism 50 years ago as vanguards in the sense that they are the forefront of a movement for White renewal decades before the term was co-opted in 1995 by © The Vanguard Group, Inc., that ranks right up there with the powerful anti-White, Jew-run BlackRock behemoth.

NationalVanguard.org picked up Jonathan Bowden’s excellent essay “Vanguardism: Hope for the Future” from counter-currents.com. Allow me to quote the inimitable Mr. Bowden:

There are more of us than ever before, but it’s always a question of quality as against quantity in this life, because what I am going to propose is that instead of looking at demographic and quantity-based analyses, quantitative ways of looking at things, let’s look at qualitative ways of looking at things. Let’s look at quality. Let’s look at elitism. Let’s look at the fact that all groups need a vanguard…

All people who have a vanguard, an elitist mentality, are regarded as partly mad by their own groups, because the majority of people do not want to know. The majority of people wish to live their own life in their own way, and they only look at these broader questions when life impinges upon them and comes upon them, and the hand of life grasps them by the collar and they really cannot do any other thing but notice what is in front of them…

Many of the reasons our people do not seem to have a sense of solidarity amongst themselves in relation to the degree that some other groups could be said to have is because a significant number of them have never been kicked, have never felt what it is as a group to be disprivileged in a society. Unfortunately, in certain areas of British and continental life now and North American life that process for some, and certainly not at the top or middle of the society, is beginning. They’re beginning to realize what it is like to be a minority or what it is like to be culturally disprivileged or what it is like to be dispossessed in a way…

That spirit will grow, but it will only feed into consciousness in a number of select minds, because the bulk of people are not drawn to be in a vanguard formulation. People will only listen to a vanguard when they are desperate. They will only listen to a vanguard when they think there is no other hope.

Make no bones about it, what vanguard Caucasians think about their future is watched and is listened to by liberals and by all the other groups [including Christians]. So, the idea that what we do and what we say and what we think has no relevance or no purport is not true.

Some fellow who answers to Autisticus Spasticus weighed in under my comment above, strongly opposed to Christianity, to which I responded:

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Will Williams: May 27, 2024
Autisticus Spasticus: Unless we successfully extract the Christian cancer in its entirety, we will never traverse the psychological Rubicon… Alas, the triumph of Christianity in the West has been so complete that there are none left who truly stand outside it…
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It’s not enough to clear the ground of the Jewish brain bomb without replacing it with something more suitable for Aryans. William Pierce did that for his people with Cosmotheism — the Nature-based, reality-grounded alternative to the much larger anti-Nature, unreal Christian patriot cause.

You cannot say with a straight face that Pierce did not stand outside of Christianity as a suitable belief system for Whites. Even César Tort, who you say is the foremost authority on the Christian psych-op, agrees for the most part with Pierce.

Maybe Spandrell’s bioleninism is a more suitable movement that can prevail over Christianity and our Jewish masters to preserve our race? Make the case for that, and if you can convince me that it is, I will cease promoting Pierce’s teachings, his Cosmotheism and the National Alliance and become a Bioleninist.

Where does one apply?

Many on our side, like C-C’s own influential Lord Shang, deny Pierce’s brilliance, saying cosmotheism is irrelevant and that “the road to our racial salvation runs through Christianity.”

I say a serious critical comparison of the two creeds is in order.

[Will Williams]

Lord Shang may have realized that he cannot successfully argue with me, even on his own discussion board. Again, I get to introduce Pierce's teachings to those who gather at Counter-Currents, and also to make the case that it's stupid for Whites to use the term "woke," a nigger word, when the term Politically Correct is perfectly acceptable.

Will Williams: May 28, 2024

Lord Shang: May 28, 2024 I agree that Pierce was extremely intelligent, and quite influential on the Right. I have a friend who for years used to wake up at a certain time on Saturdays just to listen to Pierce’s radio broadcasts (one might describe Pierce as an outstanding “early podcaster”)…

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American Distant Voices is a carefully scripted weekly radio broadcast and always has been since 1991 — never a podcast. That’s why Pierce’s ADVs are archived and still widely listened to today, available here: The Power of Truth (Volumes 1 through 12) Cosmotheism (cosmotheistchurch.org) or here, free: video.natall.com.

How many podcasts are archived and listened to years after they appeared? I don’t listen to podcasts at all, thank you. They seem to me to be just conversations about whatever was talked about on Good Morning America or Fox & Friends that morning.

ADV was launched on shortwave stations at first, then on AM stations but until the Internet came along organized Jewry, threatening boycott and going after stations’ advertisers, would have ADV removed from stations nearly as fast as we could have them aired on new ones — BECAUSE THEY FEARED PIERCE’S INFLUENCE, and not with just the so-called “Right” but with Whites who could listen to and be influence by him on AM radio.

You’ve come around since you said this here a couple of days ago:

For those who care only about preventing white [sic] extinction, as I do, and not at all about cosmotheism or other racial irrelevancies, the road to our racial salvation runs through Christianity…

Now, Lord, if you can ditch Jew-spawned Christian spookcraft as some sort of racial salvation, you’ll have arrived among serious race- thinkers. You say about Whites using nigger language:

It’s a great word, indeed, a great metapolitical word, developed by the multicultural/black nationalist Left, but now used as a battering ram against said Left even by otherwise timid normie-rightists…

Pierce made clear in his 1976 talk “Our Cause” that the National Alliance is neither left-wing nor right-wing, but biological — “racist,” if you prefer. I take it you count yourself among the “timid normie rightists” who prefer using nigger language to batter folks? You won’t batter me with niggerisms.

This talk that Pierce was an exterminationist because of the novel he wrote 50 years ago is nonsense. The ideas expressed in Turner are dangerous to Jewry, yes, but it’s fiction. Is the Jew Bible exterminationist? It’s fiction also and full of mass exterminations of goyim by Yahweh’s Chosen. To claim Pierce was exterminationist when he wrote non-fiction in Who We Are, also in the 1970s — available here in 26 chapters: Who We Are | Search Results | National Vanguard — is also unfounded.

The National Alliance is separatist, neither supremacist nor exterminationist. Those are words used by our Jewish watchdogs, WikiJews, and controlled media to describe Pierce and NA, and, unfortunately, by many fools in the Christian conservative, so-called right-wing.

[Will Williams]

To continue, here: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/th ... onference/ I mix it up with a Mr. Tort, a know-it-all who resides in Mexico and styles himself an intellectual. He admired Dr. Pierce and exposes Christianity for the Jewish hoax that it is -- that's easy -- but somehow also admired and promoted Harold Covington, who arguably did more to damage Our Cause since the early 1970s than any other one individual.

Will Williams: May 29, 2024

Cesar Tort: May 28, 2024 If the American government would allow me a visa, it would be easier to talk directly to you and other racialists to convince you of my ideas…
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Huh? Why not simply hold your laptop above your head and wade across the Rio Grande like millions of others are doing with impunity if you must be here to spread your ideas?

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Sauron, Frodo, Faramir Gondor, Faramir, Boromir…
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What in Hell are you talking about? I just saw you still promote Harold “Big Lie” Tubbington on your site. Your “ideas” won’t flush with those who value truth, despite your truths about Christinsanity.

Those newbies at C-C- who are ignorant of Tubby, who finally left this life in 2018, can learn about him here: “Death of a Con Man” on nationalvanguard.org.

A search of this site for 'covington' will show that he was popular among some here for his fictional scribblings, caring little that he was also arguably the the worst smear artist and political saboteur to ever claim to be a "movement" leader.

[Will Williams]

An interesting article aimed at fans of Rock & Roll music about how that was used to introduce LQBT and "gender bending" to American youth beginning in the 1950s: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/on ... -and-jane/ My comment will not be popular with fans of R&R, but I'm not interested in influencing them. When I read the article, or as much as I could stand of it, I was reminded of a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler (paraphrasing): "What in America is not Judaized is Negrofied."

Will Williams: May 29, 2024
[The] top “LGBTQ” pop songs of all time… following 1955’s “Tutti Frutti” by Little Richard (which had all its gay content scrubbed before it hit the radio…
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Scrubbed because it wasn’t quite time in 1955,

Could that lovely record mark the date when the camel’s nose first slipped under Whitey’s tent? Perhaps, but probably earlier. Popular music has been a primary tool used to flip traditional values upside down in Judaized America. Can we not do better?

“Call of the Blood by Dresden (band); songs by Joseph Pryce” at cosmotheistchurch.org was a good start. Making LQBT freaks ineligible for National Alliance membership was a good second step. Our members like it that way.

[Will Williams]

An article telling of the life of conservative Identity Christian preacher Jack Mohr: https://counter-currents.com/2024/04/cr ... d-country/. "He ended up giving thousands of talks for the [John Birch] Society," according to the article before being booted from tha Jew front group for being "anti-Zionist."


Will Williams: May 29, 2024 [Col. Mohr] eventually concluded that the Anglo-Saxons and related people in Western Europe are the true Israelites.
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So, that’s the main takeaway of the man’s life. Too bad. It’s good to learn, at least, that he was kicked out of the Jew front JBS for being critical of Semites.

[Will Williams]

Two articles appeared today at C-C that deal with the Unite the Right debacle in Charlottesville seven years ago. I will respond to both. Here's the first by Roger Devlin: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/ch ... -came-off/


Will Williams: May 29, 2024
In 2017 Kessler was uninformed about and uninterested in Jewish issues.
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He certainly became informed and interested in Jewish issues soon enough.

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A number of lawsuits were filed against the organizers of Unite the Right, but only one, Sines v. Kessler, went to trial. This “professional political hit job” was the work of Dahlia Lithwick, Karen Dunn, Robert Kaplan, and Amy Spitalnik, all Jewish. It was funded to the tune of more than $22 million, with much of the money coming from “Jewish Silicon Valley billionaires,” Jewish founder and President of Craigslist Craig Newmark, and Jewish actor Topher Grace, as well as the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center…

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Meanwhile, the “Nationalist Alliance,” an umbrella group of four organizations suspicious of the more “moderate” rally-goers, broke off communication with the organizers during the final days. The name “Unite the Right” was starting to sound like a bad joke…
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I hadn’t heard of this umbrella group that was getting in on what was mostly the loosely-structured, inexperienced alt-right’s Unite the Right events. I had already advised our National Alliance members to stay away from what was being organized in Charlottesville, that it sounded like a trap, which it can now be said it turned out to be.

Here, seven years later the alt-right is dead and apparently dozens of young White activists are either jailed, facing jail or otherwise defunctionalized as a result of the failed attempt to Unite the Right.

[Will Williams]

The other C-C article today by Anne Wilson Smith, author of a title our bookstore still offers: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/ja ... ee-speech/

Will Williams: May 29, 2024
Thank you for this important book, Anne. Our online bookstore purchased several copies of your 2021 Charlottesville Untold and still have one left at $25, after putting a copy in the William Luther Pierce Memorial Library and Research Center and selling the others to our customers. “Charlottesville Untold: Inside Unite the Right by Anne Wilson Smith” at cosmotheistchurch.org. We will offer your new book if granted a decent booksellers' bulk discount.

[Will Williams]

While Charlottesville is a current topic at C-C a 2018 interview with Unite the Right organizer Mr. Kessler, that had comments made under it closed years ago, was brought out of mothballs for new comments. So, I added my 2 cents, quoting both Dr. Pierce and Martin Kerr: https://counter-currents.com/2018/01/te ... n-kessler/

Will Williams: May 30, 2024

Andrea OL: January 17, 2018 1. Keep the Nazis away…
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“Nazis” weren’t the problem in Charlottesville, Andrea. Today’s pro-White activists can learn from National Socialists — who 80 years ago bought us some time — if they will read.

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I really do believe in the Unite the Right project and various pro-white groups and individuals working together. We’re already outnumbered, no reason to divide our numbers with petty ideological disagreements.
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Mr. Kessler said those words six years ago after UtR #1 had failed to unite anyone. He would have done well to have read this wisdom from Dr. Pierce in 1976, likely written before he was born: “Why Don’t All the Pro-White Organizations Unite?” at nationalvanguard.org

Q. Why don’t all the patriotic, pro-White organizations unite instead of each one trying to win the battle against America’s enemies separately? If we could join forces the way those on the other side do, we would begin winning a few battles instead of losing all the time.

A. The answer to that question is readily apparent to anyone in the leadership ranks of any of the organizations in question, but it is difficult to explain convincingly to someone who does not have such a favored view.

Very briefly, the reasons for the disunity among patriots may be roughly broken down into differences in motivation, personality problems, and differences in ideology….

Read the rest of Pierce’s answer to the question at the NV link.

Martin Kerr, who heads New Order (theneworder.org), and is arguably the foremost expert on National Socialism in America, weighed in under Pierce’s answer to that question on NV with:

The unrealistic, utopian notion that all pro-Whites of goodwill should simply give up or ignore their differences and come together, either in a single organization or some sort of coalition of federation, is not new.

In fact, Adolf Hitler devotes an entire chapter to discussing such proposals in Mein Kampf (Volume II, Chapter 8, entitled “The Strong Man is Mightiest Alone”).

He concludes:

“At that time, everyone who couldn’t stand on their own feet joined one such working federation; believing that eight cripples hanging on to each other could surely form one gladiator. And if, among these cripples, there were one healthy man, he used all his strength to sustain the others and thus himself was crippled.” (Page 281, Dalton translation) “Mein Kampf (volume 1 and 2) by Adolf Hitler – translated by Thomas Dalton” at Cosmotheistchurch.org