Commenting on Counter-Currents site

[Will Williams]

It's apparent that Dr. Johnson, owner of Counter-Currents, agrees at least in part with me and NA more so than with his top commentator, Lord Shang, on the critical CQ (Christian Question). Greg's C-C readers (allegedly 3,500 of them) pay attention to what he says. What a dilemma for Greg.

We in the Alliance on our publicly viewed NV and WB do not tolerate Christian visitors who try to tell us that we must coddle Christians and accept "Christian principles," whatever they are (love your enemies, etc.?) or worship our racial enemy's deity.

Will Williams: May 30, 2024

Greg Johnson to Lord Shang: May 30, 2024 The message that comes through whenever you write about this is: “We need to recruit Christians. But don’t criticize them. They’re very brittle and childish. They’ll sink the white race just to spite you. Because God’s kingdom is more important to them than anything that happens on earth. We need to get these people on our side. . . .”

If protestants and Catholics can shelve their differences to work together on something called “Christian Nationalism,” then I am betting they can shelve their differences with non-Christians and work together on something called “White Nationalism.” And the ones that are as brittle, childish, and spiteful as you imagine are not going to help us anyway…
---

That’s right. Lord is a defeatist, thinking when he dies our racial struggle won’t matter because he might be up in heaven. There’s no working with irresponsible defeatists for racial preservation. They have to come to our way of looking at the world first and foremost as racial realists, not as superstitions, gullible believers in the Jewish SkyGod.

Greg, it’s as if you read Dr. Pierce’s message to his Alliance members in our monthly BULLETIN 42 years ago with his commentary “On Christianity” See “WLP86: William Pierce on Christianity” at nationalvanguard.org

THE NATIONAL Office has received a few complaints (fewer than expected) from members about what has been perceived as an anti-Christian bias in recent issues of National Vanguard (NV). One member has resigned…

The complaints fall into two general categories: 1. “I am a Christian. Why are you attacking my religion?” and 2. “I am not a Christian, but many White people are. We must all stick together. To attack Christianity is divisive.”

It should first be noted that the National Alliance is not primarily a religious organization — at least, not in the usual sense of the word, although most members are able to recognize the strong spiritual element in the Alliance’s message. Second, it should be noted that the National Office is fully aware of the sensitive nature of the Christian religion, and for that reason NV avoided the question for a long time.

This avoidance, however, was in conflict with the Alliance’s fundamental obligation to deal forthrightly with all issues of vital concern to the welfare and progress of our race. This obligation where Christianity is concerned has become especially difficult to ignore during the past few months, with the growing strength of the Moral Majority and other right-wing Christian groups and their active participation in political matters. The leader of that organization, the Reverend Jerry Falwell, has been outspoken in his support of Zionism, and he was recently given a Zionist award by Jewish leaders. There exists a clear conflict of interests for any Alliance member who supports such an organization, and the Alliance member should not compromise in matters of this sort…

When I as a non-Christian first read that in 1992 I understood why the National Alliance did not consider White Christians ineligible for NA membership, because nearly all Whites, including Pierce and myself, had been raised in Christian homes. If introduced to Pierce’s Nature-based, reality-grounded belief system for our people, however, it was correctly assumed that new Christian members would eventually either embrace it as their own or reject it and go back to the comfort of their Christian churches.

The most honest thing I had ever seen was when Pierce wrote:

No honest, conscientious Alliance member can maintain his membership in the Alliance and also in an organization which is fundamentally opposed to the goals and principles of the Alliance. The former member who belongs to the Moral Majority acted correctly in resigning from the Alliance, and the same applies to others: Any Alliance member who is also a member of a church or other Christian organization which supports racial mixing or Zionism should decide now where he stands, and he should then resign either from his church or from the Alliance.

Christians are still eligible to join our Alliance today, and some still resign when they discover NA is not a “Christian organization, based on Christian principles.” That is as it should be. The Alliance does not pretend to be for Christians. Applicants are required to read this before applying: “What is the National Alliance” at natall.com. It states at the bottom:

Any White person (a non-Jewish person of wholly European ancestry) of good character and at least 18 years of age who accepts as his own the goals of the National Alliance and who is willing to support the program described herein may apply for membership…

There is nothing in that Alliance membership application that describes “the program therein,” that the prospective NA applicant pledges to support, that is either Christian nor anti-Christian. Christians, at least intelligent ones, should recognize that the Alliance’s ideology implicitly described therein is clearly opposed to the anti-Nature, pie-in-the-sky ideology that they were raised with — and not pledge to support it if Bible believers.

Pierce concludes that 42-year-old commentary to his Alliance members with this:

…If, despite everything above, there are Alliance members or prospective Alliance members who still consider themselves Christians, then it must be in the sense that they value the specifically White elements of Christianity which have been added since its origins — the great art, the great music, and the great architecture produced by White men during the centuries in which the Christian churches ruled Europe — and that they also share the White spiritual feelings which have been eloquently expressed by many men and women who were Christians and who applied the adjective “Christian” to feelings which, in fact, came from deep within the White race-soul and existed long before the advent of the Christian church.

Such Christians we can call our comrades and be proud to have in our ranks.

[Will Williams]

Responding to Roger Devlin who reviewed Kessler's book and now provides the link where it can be purchased: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/ch ... -came-off/. I know a little more about the ACLU than does Mr. Kessler.


Will Williams: May 30, 2024
Thank you. Roger.

I went to the Dissident Press site. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems to only have one book, Mr. Kessler’s, though he says in the short video there that he had help with parts of it from Dave Gahary of moneytreepublishing.com. I just talked to Dave and he was on another call so will call me back. I have several questions for him.

Kessler writes:

The media would have you believe this is the fault of the permitted protesters, who, with the help of Kessler and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), effectively relitigated the territory of the famous Supreme Court case, National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, protecting the right of Nazis to march in a Jewish suburb of Skokie, Illinois...

The ACLU likes to trot out its extraordinary case of protecting the right of “Nazis” to march in the majority Jew town of Skokie back in 1977, but those “Nazis,” led by a homosexual Jew, Frank Collin, and his second in command, “Rabbi” Harold Covington, were hardly representative of legitimate White racial nationalists, and, in fact, the NSPA never marched in Skokie after the ACLU went to bat for them. See WikiJews for more about this sordid “Nazi” group: Frank Collin – Wikipedia

That was 47 years ago. What have you done for us lately, ACLU?

My personal experience with the former bastion of free speech in America has been that ACLU of late is dominated by Jews and is anti-free speech for anything pro-White. Don’t believe me? No less authority than Jew-owned New York Times acknowledges this, here, three years ago: “Once a Bastion of Free Speech, the A.C.L.U. Faces an Identity Crisis” at nytimes.com.

An organization that has defended the First Amendment rights of Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is split by an internal debate over whether supporting progressive causes is more important.

By Michael Powell
Published June 6, 2021
It was supposed to be the celebration of a grand career, as the American Civil Liberties Union presented a prestigious award to the longtime lawyer David Goldberger. He had argued one of its most famous cases, defending the free speech rights of Nazis in the 1970s to march in Skokie, Ill., home to many Holocaust survivors.

Mr. Goldberger, now 79, adored the A.C.L.U. But at his celebratory luncheon in 2017, he listened to one speaker after another and felt a growing unease.

A law professor argued that the free speech rights of the far right were not worthy of defense by the A.C.L.U. and that Black people experienced offensive speech far more viscerally than white allies. In the hallway outside, an A.C.L.U. official argued it was perfectly legitimate for his lawyers to decline to defend hate speech.

Mr. Goldberger, a Jew who defended the free speech of those whose views he found repugnant, felt profoundly discouraged.

“I got the sense it was more important for A.C.L.U. staff to identify with clients and progressive causes than to stand on principle,” he said in a recent interview. “Liberals are leaving the First Amendment behind.”

The A.C.L.U., America’s high temple of free speech and civil liberties, has emerged as a muscular and richly funded progressive powerhouse in recent years, taking on the Trump administration in more than 400 lawsuits.

Face it, Jewboy, your beloved ACLU is now Jewish a/k/a “progressive.”

Forty-seven years from now ACLU will trot out how it allegedly protected the “repugnant” free speech rights of Mr. Kessler and his Unite the Right protesters.

[Will Williams]

Another comment about the failed alt-right that was behind the failed Unite the Right ordeal in Charlottesville seven years ago.

Will Williams: May 30, 2024
Forgive me, Mr. Devlin, but I wasn’t aware of you until now, likely since we haven’t traveled that much in the same circles. So, I did a search on your name, and lo and behold found mention of you in an undated smear: “ALT RIGHT” at splcenter.org. A badge of honor.

Congratulations!

Considering the source and reading between the lines, that article at our anti-White, Jewish watchdog’s site seems to be a rather accurate description of the rise and fall of the alt-right.

[Will Williams]

A very good impression of present-day Rome that prompted me to cut & paste and share what I'd written in the May 2023 NA BULLETIN: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/et ... ity-blues/ An excerpt from the C-C article:

[T]he mass of humanity bustling around Rome’s main train station, as such hubs in major cities are always full of people and tourists from all over the world, and for some reason are like a dung heap attracting all manner of Afro-Arab flies.

Will Williams: May 31, 2024
Very accurate assessment of Rome through White eyes, Angelo. Reading it I had a flashback to a year ago when my wife and I took a Mediterranean cruise. My impressions at the time:

…The 7-night cruise began and ended in Rome, with excursions to Monaco, where the highlight of the trip may have been a very quick spin around the famous Le Mans racetrack with our taxi driver who styled himself a race car driver; Cannes, one day prior to the big film festival where the fancy people gather; Nice, Florence, Pisa, Palma de Mallorca, Barcelona and even the Vatican where ancient White art and sculpture are worth seeing, despite all the graffiti, some of which is quite artful, but most is simply vandalism like one sees in many American cities. An overwhelming number of non-Whites were lined up to view the Vatican, and I kept conjuring up the disgusting photo I’d just seen at the top of the text version of the 6 May American Dissident Voices broadcast [“White Psychology Under Jewish Tyranny Part 3” at nationalvanguard.org] of the Pope, hunkered down, head-to-head, with a Negro boy. It was clear to me at the Vatican that the Catholic Church cares more these days about saving Black and Brown souls than of those who created the architecture, art and music of that Church.
A highlight of the trip was in Rome where we could view the ruins of the Coliseum through the Arch of Titus that commemorated Rome’s victory over the Jews. In the display of Roman victory and power one can see the Jewish Menorah carried away in the sculpted frieze on a wall of Titus’s Arch.

The most striking thing about Rome to me, besides [the muds,] the graffiti (an Italian word) and the architecture, is the subtropical, beautifully maintained landscapes, especially the conifers. The uniquely-shaped Umbrella pines (botanical name Pinus Pinea) grow to 80 feet or more in height. They’ve been around for millennia but are said to have been introduced to the area by the thousands in 1931 by Benito Mussolini — so are also known by some as the “Fascist tree.” Rome’s iconic umbrella pines are threatened now by an invasive parasitic pest, introduced from the western U.S. Thanks, Yanks! Hopefully they can be saved by the introduction of another insect that eats them. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could introduce a bug that only eats invasive human subspecies invading our living space, replacing our unique subspecies (read: race) here in our U.S. habitat?

Impressions of Rome and other cities in Italy, France and Spain are not what’s expected by members in the Alliance Chairman’s monthly commentary, but they are what is still on my mind here at the end of May. We’ll get back more on National Alliance business in June.

[Will Williams]

I've been commenting on C-C more than usual lately. some might say too much, but I don't care what they might think. This is my way of promoting NA, Cosmotheism and Dr. Pierce's teachings on NV to nominally pro-White people who follow that popular site. I recently cracked the Top 100 commentators, some of whom are influential writers. See here where I now stand in 91st place: https://counter-currents.com/top-100-commenters/

I'm so busy with other Alliance work that I've occasionally failed to republish each C-C comment I've made to here, like this one from a couple of days ago under this article: https://counter-currents.com/2024/04/cr ... d-country/


Will Williams: May 29, 2024 [Col. Mohr] eventually concluded that the Anglo-Saxons and related people in Western Europe are the true Israelites.

So, that’s the main takeaway of the man’s life. Too bad. It’s good to learn, at least, that he was kicked out of the Jew front group JBS for being critical of Semites.

[Will Williams]

This interesting article about secessionist movements afoot in the U.S. prompted me to comment, linking to our topic here on WB about the State of Franklin: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/re ... in-oregon/ Will some C-C readers be curious to visit WB? We'll see.

Will Williams: June 1, 2024

Spencer J. Quinn: Do they have a chance? I don’t think so.
—

Me neither, Spencer. Red state/Blue state secession schemes won’t work.

The only rational plan must be determined, strict geographical separation by race if the White race is to be preserved — and not just any Whites, but serious, determined eligible Whites.

Another civil war on American soil is becoming more and more likely and it will be racial this time, leading to ethnic balkanization. Whites must have their exclusive living space, their own responsible leaders, government, and justice system; its own economy, media, education system — nothing less will be acceptable.

There are American precedents for secession. Though not entirely racially motivated one example was almost exclusively White: the state of Franklin. Read about that here and see a map of Franklin in what’s now essentially the 11 and 1/2 counties that constitute the current, mostly White First Congressional District of Tennessee: “The Secessionist State of Franklin — Can it Happen Again?” at whitebiocentrism.com.

In North Carolina, regionalism has existed since day one. In August 1784, western North Carolinians established the State of Franklin—“the only de facto state that functioned in every aspect of statal power,” writes historian Samuel Cole Williams. After a civil war in the mountains, however, the “Lost State of Franklin” ceased in February 1789…

Although North Carolina did not recognize its statehood, Franklin operated for almost five years like any other state. It granted, for example, land warrants and marriage licenses and built roads. Franklin leaders even negotiated treaties with the Cherokee and in the state’s waning days, they sought to be annexed by Spain. John Sevier, a former leader of the Watauga Association (the first autonomous White government in the British colonies) and leader of the Wataugans at the Battle of King’s Mountain, served as the first governor…

[Will Williams]

The lovefest over Jason Kessler continues, here: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/ch ... k-came-off. I don't enjoy throwing cold water on that but see an opportunity to differentiate between common physical courage and uncommon moral courage while promoting Dr. Pierce and National Vanguard.


Will Williams: June 2, 2024

Hyacinth Bouquet: June 2, 2024 Jason Kessler is a living hero. He is a man of uncommon courage, which is a virtue that is sorely needed in White people and increasingly rare.
---

Whites certainly need racial heroes, Hyacinth. It’s good you have found one that you admire.

“Moral courage is more a rare commodity than bravery in a battle or great intelligence.” -John F Kennedy

I wouldn’t say JFK is the best exemplar of moral courage, but he was right, nevertheless. A better example is how General Patton, a man who knew about courage, expressed the same thought: “Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men.”

He was likely murdered for expressing his true convictions after WWII had ended.

The American military has been loaded with brave White men with physical courage, but for what cause? Where are they when they are needed for the most noble cause there is: preservation of their unique race?

No doubt Mr. Kessler is a shining example of physical courage, but what has been his cause, his highest conviction, uniting the right-wing? That was and will continue to be a wrong-headed and impossible to achieve cause, yet he still seems to think he can accomplish it by rehashing the Charlottesville debacle without having learned his efforts were largely wrong-headed.

William Pierce defined moral courage in: “The importance of Courage” at nationalvanguard.org
Courage: That is the key to our survival. Courage is more important than money, more important than intelligence, more important than friends or political and business connections. Unless we have the courage of our convictions, neither we nor our convictions will survive.

[Will Williams]

I listened to the first part, at least, of Dr. Johnson's radio podcast titled "The Future of the Movement," and commented on the difference in an online magazine an an actual organization, here:
https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/co ... ent-part-2


Greg Johnson: May 31, 2024 We’re a magazine commenting on politics and culture, not a political coalition.
---

Will Williams: June 3, 2024 Thank you. A valuable online magazine C-C is. It is not an organization, however.

Nationalvanguard.org ( NV) is the online magazine of the National Alliance organization (NA) that has been around for 50 years. NV began as a print tabloid back in the 1970s, not as interactive like our online magazine is today, though its editor, NA founder and chairman William Pierce, would respond selectively to occasional readers’ letters in the print versions of NV to establish or explain NA policies.

Some NV readers are not NA members or even supporters which is reflective of the nature of the Internet, but they are steered to NA’s, the organization’s, sites where they can join NA if they agree with its ideology and program and pledge to support them. My point: NV.org is not an organization, though some ‘Netizens believe it is.

Greg, I enjoyed listening to this show, but I take issue with one of your statements: “You do not make a movement stronger by making it smaller.”

I may have misunderstood you, but a successful movement will begin with a vanguard core group that has a winning strategy that everyone in the core is in agreement with. There’s that word again.

We are not in revolutionary times yet. The greater racial nationalist movement will grow around that serious vanguard when the time for assembling without compromising on fundamentals comes. We’re not talking about the GOP certainly, nor the MAGA crowd that is all over the board and only marginally pro-White. Many MAGA types will come our way, but not now, not until their personal situations becomes more desperate.

[Jim Mathias]

We are not in revolutionary times yet. The greater racial nationalist movement will grow around that serious vanguard when the time for assembling without compromising on fundamentals comes. We’re not talking about the GOP certainly, nor the MAGA crowd that is all over the board and only marginally pro-White. Many MAGA types will come our way, but not now, not until their personal situations becomes more desperate.

A few, more thoughtful ones may come our way after seeing for the second time how Trump has conned them. The rest will be fooled again and again and again....ad infinitum. I believe those latter, more numerous examples can have their situations get very desperate and still not get that they've got to change their ways regarding race and a viable solution. Most will be of the older generations like mine that get left behind with the con, it is a disillusioned youth that should be relied upon to come our way, they're naturally flexible enough to become radicalized.

[Will Williams]

Addressing the problem found on Internet sites of "sock puppets," here: https://counter-currents.com/2024/05/th ... onference/


Greg Johnson: June 4, 2024 Apparently this is not Cesar Tort but a person pretending to be him. This troll is now banned.
Will Williams: June 4, 2024
The real César Tort just emailed me, warning that someone was impersonating him here on C-C and on National Vanguard. Such is the Internet and “sock puppets (false online identities used for deceptive purposes)” — the most infamous puppeteer being Mr. Tort’s hero, the fraud Harold Covington.

Just checked Tort’s site and did a search for “Covington” to find 157 entries, one from 12 years ago being “The character of Harold Covington” at westsdarkesthour.com. I couldn’t bring myself to read beyond the first couple of paragraphs in that piece where Tubby had presented a fake quote from William Pierce, but to Tort’s credit in the 15th and final comment under that puff piece he had linked to what Dr. Pierce had written to his Alliance members way back in 1992,  warning them about Covington : “The Perils of Hobbyism” still found here today: “Dr. William Pierce on Harold Covington” at nationalvanguard.org.

That should have put an end to the Covington issue, yet here, nearly 32 years later, admirers of Tubbington’s fiction, like C.T., present sizable archives of gossip, with a mixture of truths vs. lies about the sorry SOB that only tend to confuse. Tort still promotes Tubby’s failed North West Front scam at his site.

Give it up, César.