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Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:25 pm
by Supremely White
Well hallelujah, and welcome to the Cosmotheist fold, brother. One thing that you probably already know, but I just thought I’d put out there for anyone who doesn’t, is that conservatism is not the answer for us much more than Christianity is. Dr. Pierce made a speech on that, which I will cite after I locate it.
I was a much easier sell to Cosmotheism, because although I grew up surrounded by Christianity, I was atheist. But after the lockdown madness from 2020 got to me and I saw the world turned upside down, I figured I was ready for something to believe in. So when the Cosmotheist book became available, I ordered it, and once I started reading it, well, it resonated with me much in the same way as Mein Kampf did.
But since Christianity is one of the biggest obstacles we face in recruitment, maybe that book you read by Brant Pitre should be recommended for White Nationalists who haven’t gotten over their love affair with Jesus. If it worked for you, do you imagine it might deprogram otherwise racially aware White Christians?
Much as I admire Adolf Hitler and the Germans of the Third Reich, they espoused Christianity too, which I don’t understand. I guess that unlike those of us today, they might not have had jews gleefully telling them that Jesus was a Jew.
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:51 pm
by Supremely White
sonsofboston wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:01 am
Supremely White wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:25 pm
If it worked for you, do you imagine it might deprogram otherwise racially aware White Christians?
This book would be the perfect tool to do that.
Great idea. What do you think, Jim Mathias? Also, while I’m aware that some faiths frown upon proselytizing, Christianity is all for it, the missionaries being an example. Is spreading the word for Cosmotheism encouraged or not?
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:00 pm
by Supremely White
As I promised I’d cite it, this was but one of many National Alliance views on conservatism:
https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/04/th ... rvatism-2/
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:17 pm
by Jim Mathias
Supremely White wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:51 pm
sonsofboston wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:01 am
Supremely White wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:25 pm
If it worked for you, do you imagine it might deprogram otherwise racially aware White Christians?
This book would be the perfect tool to do that.
Great idea. What do you think, Jim Mathias? Also, while I’m aware that some faiths frown upon proselytizing, Christianity is all for it, the missionaries being an example. Is spreading the word for Cosmotheism encouraged or not?
Cosmotheism should be spread by each Alliance member and our Supporters if they so wish
so long as you have a decent understanding of it. Many of us felt a sort of resonance with it naturally when encountering the works of Dr. Pierce, William Gayley Simpson, Kevin Strom, and so on and discovered what these men wrote as having ultimately been based in Cosmotheism. You yourself have an affinity for it, and I can only encourage you to run with it.
There's one National Alliance document that really shows how Cosmotheism is manifested in real world terms, and that's the booklet "Building A New White World" subtitled "What Is The National Alliance" as it has Cosmotheism woven throughout its contents. To get into the raw spiritual and philosophical aspect of it, sure, the book
Cosmotheism addresses this religion, or life-philosophy in a concise fashion and offering it to others can go a long ways towards getting others familiar with it.
Another tool for those who don't want to shell out the $35 for the volume is the use of the search feature on National Vanguard by typing in the word "Cosmotheism" and hitting enter to get a whole host of entries that one can read at their leisure and at no cost. It's not as concise a method of imparting Cosmotheism to the new reader, but if one searches out many of the entries a benefit in understanding and feeling ought to be gained.
Finally, I understand that not all will get it. The natural feeling of loyalty and progress-seeking towards our race doesn't exist in everyone so how Cosmotheism comes across seems likely to be different by individual. Some cannot clear their minds of alien, hostile, or other confusing ideologies to "get" our religion either. I believe that there are many out there who can, though. So spreading it is definitely worthwhile. I believe Dr. Pierce found two different personality traits regarding this, the first, those who were most interested in the spiritual aspect of our race or were sort of racial idealists in general were in one group. These people should be most receptive to Cosmotheism. The other group was more about "what are we going to do in more concrete terms today" sort of people. The booklet BANWW-WINA is an excellent way of introducing Cosmotheism to them as it deals with more concrete terms as you already know. I believe the latter far outnumber the former, but by recognizing which kind of personality you're dealing with, the more effective you'll be.
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:44 pm
by Volker Zorn
The book that made me give up Christianity was Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard. I read an abbreviated version of it in 1969, at age 17.
For me, religion is all about values. Every religion has its own mythology. Those from long ago tend to focus on the supernatural and on theological fantasies. But stories can be told or written to support or illustrate any point of view. It was clear to me that the values of Ragnar Redbeard closely alligned with my own, while those of the biblical Jesus and mine were light years apart.
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:12 am
by Supremely White
Thank you for the link, sonsofboston.
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:26 pm
by White_Vengeance
Supremely White wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:25 pm
Much as I admire Adolf Hitler and the Germans of the Third Reich, they espoused Christianity too, which I don’t understand. I guess that unlike those of us today, they might not have had jews gleefully telling them that Jesus was a Jew.
Presuming that you have read Mein Kampf, then you must know that while Hitler did at times espouse the teachings and preaching of Christianity, most of Der Fuehrer's religious worldview was based upon natural law, the superiority of the Aryan race, and the fact that the White (i.e., Aryan) race is governed through, and by, natural law.
Again-and-again in Mein Kampf, Hitler mentions natural law as the governing principle for the eternal destiny of the White race. Hitler's position on natural law was that the preservation of race is bound up with the inexorable natural laws of necessity and survival, and with the right of victory to the best and strongest. He who would live must fight. And he who does not wish to fight in this world of permanent struggle has no right to live.
Hitler espoused the teachings and preaching of Christianity because he knew that the vast majority of the German populace was a composite makeup of two Christian denominations: the Catholic faith and the Protestant faith (with all its myriad denominations/branches of faith: Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Evangelical, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc.). Had Hitler not demonstrated a bit of support and allegiance to Christianity, he knew, as a wise recruiter and leader, that he would be alienating the vast majority of the German population. Understandably, then, Hitler's true religious worldview was based upon the inextricable binding of natural law to the eternal destiny of the race that keeps its blood pure, its principles morally upright, and that is willing to fight always for its survival and its future.
Re: The book that made me give up Christianity
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 3:10 pm
by RassenKrieg
Volker Zorn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:44 pm
The book that made me give up Christianity was
Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard. I read an abbreviated version of it in 1969, at age 17.
For me, religion is all about values. Every religion has its own mythology. Those from long ago tend to focus on the supernatural and on theological fantasies. But stories can be told or written to support or illustrate any point of view. It was clear to me that the values of Ragnar Redbeard closely alligned with my own, while those of the biblical Jesus and mine were light years apart.
Christinsanity is a dying religion. Even within the confines of the racialist movement, many younger people are abandoning Christianity in favor of esoteric forms of National Socialism and alternative religions which are much, much more pro-White than the faiths that sprung up from Abrahamism.