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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostFri Oct 10, 2014 10:35 am

DanielOlj79 wrote:Also take a look at this Nazi belt buckle:
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It says "God with us". That was the motto on the Nazi military belt buckle.


Well, there you go: proof that Yahweh is real and that Nietzsche, Dr. Pierce, Dr. Oliver, Ben Klassen, W. G. Simpson and all of our other stiff-necked, rational White thinkers were wrong. ;)

Call your next case.
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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostSat Oct 11, 2014 3:17 am

Will Williams wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:Also take a look at this Nazi belt buckle:
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It says "God with us". That was the motto on the Nazi military belt buckle.


Well, there you go: proof that Yahweh is real and that Nietzsche, Dr. Pierce, Dr. Oliver, Ben Klassen, W. G. Simpson and all of our other stiff-necked, rational White thinkers were wrong. ;)

Call your next case.


Well it says God is with us not Yahweh is with us. So whatever your interpretation of God is insert that there. Anyway that was then , maybe the Next belt buckle should say "the Allmighty Creator" is with us.. :)
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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostSat Oct 11, 2014 3:27 am

Cosmotheist wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:Ok, Daniel, but, that was exactly the "impression" that you were making with those prior posts.
So you do understand that there is a big difference between a "blind faith" and a "rational faith",
and that these two never should be "conflated" now?

You would be correct about "scientism" not being accurate, but, evolution and science are the most
accurate "tools" that we do have for discovering these truths and these facts of Reality and of Life.
Both are "methods of discovering" and their knowledge is not complete without acknowledging what
is most fundamental: Consciousness. Both the "Cosmic and Universal Consciousness of the Creator",
and the individuated one, or the Divine Spark that's all within your own self.

Yes, no science has all of the answers, yet, and even of exactly how life began and the failure of science
to even acknowledge "spirit or soul or consciousness" that "is within everything and that everything is all
within it" reflects science's self-imposed limited method of ever getting to that one great Whole Truth of
Reality.

I think that Yockey got it backwards giving "souls and spirits" to "Civilizations", as opposed to "race souls"
actually giving rise to them, of which actually makes more sense and really puts the horse before the cart.

Hegel with his "spiritual dialectic" does seem closer to the truth of history than Yockey's "given stages" of
"cultural and economic" evolution. His attacks on evolution and of Darwinism as just being "materialism"
do seem to me to be mostly from his "Christian bias" and that being acquired from when he had gone to
the Catholic University of Notre Dame. Evolution is "materialism" only if you accept the false notion that it
is what really exists, as opposed to the Whole Truth of Cosmotheism, that the Consciousness within all,
and that's within one's own self, alone, is what really exists! Yockey was a product of his time and of his
own limited knowledge of what was known in 1948. Nevertheless, it is an interesting read with many of
his original ideas being truly inspired and inspiring, even if they were not always being "factually-accurate",
and were "greatly-influenced" by Spengler and his writings.

Best regards,
Cosmotheist

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Yeah I guess you can say there is a difference between blind faith and rational faith. But these days, people believe most things that science says blindly. Most people will believe whatever they are taught especially if it's written down in a textbook without doing any independent research. Science is pretty accurate for the most part, I don't challenge much of what we know, but there are still things we don't know and Science by it's nature seeks to explain everything even those things that they can't know. So they have to have some theories about life.. But yeah I agree science is more accurate then the Christian mythology.

I also agree with you that Consciousness is the essence of life, and evolution towards higher consciousness is the ultimate goal for life. If that's what Cosmotheism is all about then sign me up. :D

I haven't read Hegel, and I'm still reading Yockee, and I have to say Yockee's work is pretty sophisticated. I think I need to read that book twice to fully understand what he is saying. I do understand some of it and it is interesting. I'm about 3/4's through Imperium. I'll put any further commentary about Yockee on hold for now untill I can get a better grasp of what his meaning was.

Talk to you later,
Daniel.
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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostSat Oct 11, 2014 8:32 am

DanielOlj79 wrote:
Cosmotheist wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:Ok, Daniel, but, that was exactly the "impression" that you were making with those prior posts.
So you do understand that there is a big difference between a "blind faith" and a "rational faith",
and that these two never should be "conflated" now?

You would be correct about "scientism" not being accurate, but, evolution and science are the most
accurate "tools" that we do have for discovering these truths and these facts of Reality and of Life.
Both are "methods of discovering" and their knowledge is not complete without acknowledging what
is most fundamental: Consciousness. Both the "Cosmic and Universal Consciousness of the Creator",
and the individuated one, or the Divine Spark that's all within your own self.

Yes, no science has all of the answers, yet, and even of exactly how life began and the failure of science
to even acknowledge "spirit or soul or consciousness" that "is within everything and that everything is all
within it" reflects science's self-imposed limited method of ever getting to that one great Whole Truth of
Reality.

I think that Yockey got it backwards giving "souls and spirits" to "Civilizations", as opposed to "race souls"
actually giving rise to them, of which actually makes more sense and really puts the horse before the cart.

Hegel with his "spiritual dialectic" does seem closer to the truth of history than Yockey's "given stages" of
"cultural and economic" evolution. His attacks on evolution and of Darwinism as just being "materialism"
do seem to me to be mostly from his "Christian bias" and that being acquired from when he had gone to
the Catholic University of Notre Dame. Evolution is "materialism" only if you accept the false notion that it
is what really exists, as opposed to the Whole Truth of Cosmotheism, that the Consciousness within all,
and that's within one's own self, alone, is what really exists! Yockey was a product of his time and of his
own limited knowledge of what was known in 1948. Nevertheless, it is an interesting read with many of
his original ideas being truly inspired and inspiring, even if they were not always being "factually-accurate",
and were "greatly-influenced" by Spengler and his writings.

Best regards,
Cosmotheist

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Yeah I guess you can say there is a difference between blind faith and rational faith. But these days, people believe most things that science says blindly. Most people will believe whatever they are taught especially if it's written down in a textbook without doing any independent research. Science is pretty accurate for the most part, I don't challenge much of what we know, but there are still things we don't know and Science by it's nature seeks to explain everything even those things that they can't know. So they have to have some theories about life.. But yeah I agree science is more accurate then the Christian mythology.

I also agree with you that Consciousness is the essence of life, and evolution towards higher consciousness is the ultimate goal for life. If that's what Cosmotheism is all about then sign me up. :D

I haven't read Hegel, and I'm still reading Yockee, and I have to say Yockee's work is pretty sophisticated. I think I need to read that book twice to fully understand what he is saying. I do understand some of it and it is interesting. I'm about 3/4's through Imperium. I'll put any further commentary about Yockee on hold for now untill I can get a better grasp of what his meaning was.

Talk to you later,
Daniel.


Blind faith, whether in religion or in science, is never any replacement for "independent research",
and is "qualitatively much less accurate" than is any "rational faith" that is all based upon a "much"
higher standard of evidence, reason, and logic. Christian, Jewish, Muslim and most other "religion"
is "blind faith" based, and is quite unlike the "rational faith" in science and in a true Cosmotheism.

Yes, that is what Cosmotheism is "all about", the "conscious evolution of higher consciousness and
of higher being ever upwards and towards a Personal Godhood". That is Our Cause, so welcome to
it! :D

After reading Imperium by Yockey, you should read Spengler to see how he was influenced by him,
then read Hegel and then WWWM by WGS. There are many good ideas in all of them but you must have
the "proper context and historical framework" to not get bogged down in weeds of "factual inaccuracies".
Do your own "independent research" and also do your own "independent thinking"
on these issues as well. :D

Best regards,
Cosmotheist

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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostSat Oct 11, 2014 8:44 am

DanielOlj79 wrote:
Will Williams wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:Also take a look at this Nazi belt buckle:
Image

It says "God with us". That was the motto on the Nazi military belt buckle.


Well, there you go: proof that Yahweh is real and that Nietzsche, Dr. Pierce, Dr. Oliver, Ben Klassen, W. G. Simpson and all of our other stiff-necked, rational White thinkers were wrong. ;)

Call your next case.


Well it says God is with us not Yahweh is with us. So whatever your interpretation of God is insert that there. Anyway that was then , maybe the Next belt buckle should say "the Allmighty Creator" is with us.. :)


Or how about even better, "WE are ONE with COSMOS!",
if there still even are "belt buckles" by the time we win. :D

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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostMon Oct 13, 2014 9:43 pm

Will Williams wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:Also take a look at this Nazi belt buckle:
Image

It says "God with us". That was the motto on the Nazi military belt buckle.


Well, there you go: proof that Yahweh is real and that Nietzsche, Dr. Pierce, Dr. Oliver, Ben Klassen, W. G. Simpson and all of our other stiff-necked, rational White thinkers were wrong. ;)

Call your next case.


Will,

There is "disinformation" about "Christianity and National Socialism and AH"
and that uses that "God with Us!" belt buckle as "proof" too, that's found on
here, and that is called "Truth for Germans":
http://truthforgermans.com/?tag=cosmotheism

And it also falsely attacks Cosmotheism as if we
were the ones "promoting the miscegenation of"
the White Race!

See "Why Christianity can't Save Us!" here:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=377

Like the "Identity Christians" these ones too are
all just "delusional" blind-faith based "nutcases"!

Really. What else isn't new? LOL! :D

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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostThu Oct 16, 2014 9:08 pm

Cosmotheist wrote:Blind faith, whether in religion or in science, is never any replacement for "independent research",
and is "qualitatively much less accurate" than is any "rational faith" that is all based upon a "much"
higher standard of evidence, reason, and logic. Christian, Jewish, Muslim and most other "religion"
is "blind faith" based, and is quite unlike the "rational faith" in science and in a true Cosmotheism.

Yes, that is what Cosmotheism is "all about", the "conscious evolution of higher consciousness and
of higher being ever upwards and towards a Personal Godhood". That is Our Cause, so welcome to
it! :D

After reading Imperium by Yockey, you should read Spengler to see how he was influenced by him,
then read Hegel and then WWWM by WGS. There are many good ideas in all of them but you must have
the "proper context and historical framework" to not get bogged down in weeds of "factual inaccuracies".
Do your own "independent research" and also do your own "independent thinking"
on these issues as well. :D

Best regards,
Cosmotheist

Image



I just finished reading Imperium. In the end Yockee says that Russia is and always will be the enemy of the western culture. He referred to Russia as being a dual state, composed of the Bolshevik Commisars and the Rus peasants. I suppose today The Jewish Commisars are not as big of a factor in Russia but should we be opposed to the Rus population there? Yockee says that the only way to save the 100,000,000 million (when the book was written shortly after WW2, there were approximately 100 million Europeans who were doomed to starve to death because many of the manufacturing colonies and trading partners which Europe depended on to support the population was disconnected, I'm not sure if there is sill a shortage of food and supplies for the post world war 2 European countries)Europeans who cannot be supported by the soil of Europe which they live on would be to claim the Russian Plains for agriculture and use that land to feed them. What is the Reconstitued National Alliance's stance on Russia as a nation? I recall Kevin Strom did a broadcast not long ago called Jewish Aggression in which he deterred a war with Russia under the guise of the Ukraine situation, but is that really the case? Can Western culture co-exist with Russia? Aren't they the barbarians which Yockee was speaking of in his book Imperium?
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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostThu Oct 16, 2014 10:08 pm

DanielOlj79 wrote:...What is the Reconstitued National Alliance's stance on Russia as a nation? I recall Kevin Strom did a broadcast not long ago called Jewish Aggression in which he deterred a war with Russia under the guise of the Ukraine situation, but is that really the case? Can Western culture co-exist with Russia? Aren't they the barbarians which Yockee was speaking of in his book Imperium?


Mr. Yockey's anti-Russian biases notwithstanding, Mrs. Williams will work with the Alliance Director -- moi -- to continue healing old wounds left over from the Cold War between White America and White Russia. Most is the Russian word for bridge. We will work to build the most between our peoples. Americans who hate Russians will probably be more comfortable with some other organization beside the National Alliance. ;)

Daniel, I apologize for being so flippant to you with the "God" buckle remark. It's just that I've seen Christians use that belt buckle so many times to "prove" that Mr. Hitler had accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior, or whatever, that I hate to see it cropping up here at WB. National-Socialism has a lot more in common with Cosmotheism than it ever could have with Christianity and its Semitic tribal god Yahweh. Gott doesn't have to refer to Yahweh, but people take it to have that identity, especially Christians.

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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostThu Oct 16, 2014 10:53 pm

Will Williams wrote:
DanielOlj79 wrote:...What is the Reconstitued National Alliance's stance on Russia as a nation? I recall Kevin Strom did a broadcast not long ago called Jewish Aggression in which he deterred a war with Russia under the guise of the Ukraine situation, but is that really the case? Can Western culture co-exist with Russia? Aren't they the barbarians which Yockee was speaking of in his book Imperium?


Mr. Yockey's anti-Russian biases notwithstanding, Mrs. Williams will work with the Alliance Director -- moi -- to continue healing old wounds left over from the Cold War between White America and White Russia. Most is the Russian word for bridge. We will work to build the most between our peoples. Americans who hate Russians will probably be more comfortable with some other organization beside the National Alliance. ;)

Daniel, I apologize for being so flippant to you with the "God" buckle remark. It's just that I've seen Christians use that belt buckle so many times to "prove" that Mr. Hitler had accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior, or whatever, that I hate to see it cropping up here at WB. National-Socialism has a lot more in common with Cosmotheism than it ever could have with Christianity and its Semitic tribal god Yahweh. Gott doesn't have to refer to Yahweh, but people take it to have that identity, especially Christians.

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One of many variations of Third Reich soldier's belt buckles


No Apologies neccessary Mr. Williams. I don't think I should of brought that up in the first place. What it amounts to would be considered "trolling" by today's standards, so I apologize to you. I don't know why i raised this issue about Christianity in the first place. I suppose I was playing devil's advocate for some reason. I didn't realize that belt buckle was a common argument among Christains who want to claim that Hitler was on their side. I just happened to see it on a Stormfront thread when I was looking up something about Table talk which you mentioned before.

Anyway Reading Yockee's Imperium is kind of confusing. My original thinking was what I think was in line with what the re-constituted NA and the original National Alliance under Dr. Pierce was, which was that Non-Jewish Russians were essentially white people and that we should not discriminate against them as fellow whites. I didn't mean offense by that statement, in fact the whole issue that Yockee talks about kind of confuses me on a personal level as I think my parents were of the Slavic race. So I don't know what that would make me in his opinion, a barbarian as well?

Anyway I realize that this book was written a pretty long time ago, and yeah Yockee may have been prejudiced in some ways. But I think it's important to bring this issue up to date because like you say there are other organizations which don't share these beliefs that Eastern Europeans(especially concerning Russia) are just as good as Western Europeans. It kind of makes me wish that Dr. Pierce were still alive to ask him this question. I think most organizations pretty much preach unity between all whites but in certain cases you see disputes between whites, such as the Ukrainians and the Russians over this situation which occurred recently in the Ukraine.

I think i understood correctly what the Alliance's stance was regarding this issue and pretty much all other issues, I just happened to pick this book up out of my brother's collection and this was in the suggested reading of the original Natvan book catalog, so reading it does bring up interesting facts, but also leaves people like me with certain questions.

Another book from the Natvan catalog that I read recently was "Synagogue of Satan" by Andrew Hitchcock. That book also made some claims that sound correct and others which sound incorrect. For instance in that book the writer claimed that the Confederate States of America were agitated into starting the American Civil war by Jewish Agents who were placed in the United States in the 1830's and agitated the South to seek secession from the Union for 3 decades. The goal according to the writer was to weaken the USA through the civil war, and to have both sides borrow money from the Rothschilds in Europe and be in financial debt to the Jews. I was under the Impression that it was the North who agitated the South for war and not the other way around. Another thing which this Author wrote was that both Nietzsche and Karl Marx were funded by the same person, who was a Jew, to create two opposing ideologies, which would later become the basis for the Second world war, a war in which the Jews once again, like they always do (as stated by the author), profit off by loaning money to both sides. I thought this was absurd because, to my knowledge the National Socialists were not funded by Jewish money to create their war effort. And secondly, I find it hard to believe that one of the most highly regarded philosophers, Nietzche was merely a puppet for some Zionist conspiracy. So that was another book which kind of challenged my thinking. It did have some interesting things that might well be fact but those parts are highly questionable, and I was kind of wondering why this reading material was promoted by the former National Alliance, considering the fact that they held some conflicting points of view in them.

I guess more or less they have more info than disinfo, so there is some value in them.
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Re: Nietzsche and the Origins of Christianity

PostThu Oct 16, 2014 10:55 pm

@Will

P.S. Most is also the Serbo-Croatian word for Bridge. ;)
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