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Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by californiasurviving » Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:27 am

Just got finished with reading 'Cosmotheism - Religion of the Future' from the NA's bookstore - absolutely enlightening piece of work if you have not read it yet.

I wanted to get the opinions on the idea of separation of church and state since I am not of a solid opinion on the matter. After all, how can we separate church if it is part of our morals and community-think which is always with us? There are families that make more of an emphasis on religious matters while some (like I) who grew up in a rather secular life and only bring it up rarely as a joke or of our ancestral religious practices.

Many folks might hold skepticism in the idea of a state with a religion-promoting aspect to it since rulers need to focus on the politics first and foremost, or that religion is eternal and ought to be apart of the state like it always was in the past. I would believe some NA folks have a feeling the state might need to give a 'push' for the Cosmotheist mindset after soon-to-be obsolete 1776 founded American government comes to an end, or that it should 'branch off' into its own thing with enough followers who would serve its purpose. Need some truthful guidance on this matter.

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Re: Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by White Man 1 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:03 am

Some may see Cosmotheism as a "religious order" in which we are called to serve. In the future, it would make the most sense that those who lead our people should do so with a full and complete understanding of who we are and where we intend to go, so seperation of religious and political matters is really a counter-intuitive goal. Our philosophy doesn't just serve to give us purpose in life, but also root out those who are not capable of giving their whole efforts to the Creator's purpose.

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Re: Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by Riley » Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:25 pm

californiasurviving wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:27 am
Just got finished with reading 'Cosmotheism - Religion of the Future' from the NA's bookstore - absolutely enlightening piece of work if you have not read it yet.

I wanted to get the opinions on the idea of separation of church and state since I am not of a solid opinion on the matter. After all, how can we separate church if it is part of our morals and community-think which is always with us? There are families that make more of an emphasis on religious matters while some (like I) who grew up in a rather secular life and only bring it up rarely as a joke or of our ancestral religious practices.

Many folks might hold skepticism in the idea of a state with a religion-promoting aspect to it since rulers need to focus on the politics first and foremost, or that religion is eternal and ought to be apart of the state like it always was in the past. I would believe some NA folks have a feeling the state might need to give a 'push' for the Cosmotheist mindset after soon-to-be obsolete 1776 founded American government comes to an end, or that it should 'branch off' into its own thing with enough followers who would serve its purpose. Need some truthful guidance on this matter.
The National Alliance does not believe in a separation of church and state, and that simple question you asked gets right to the heart of why. A church that believes it lacks the moral authority to govern is not one that anyone should want to follow.

The only argument to create such legislation is that you want to foster some degree of religious diversity under one government, but Whites should know by now that diversity is not the way. Religious purity, like racial purity, is vital for the long-term stability of any nation, and you can't maintain religious purity if you are not willing to enforce it at the highest level.

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Re: Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by Jim Mathias » Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:44 pm

My view on states is that they're corporate entities, and often predisposed towards their own growth and power as an end (or purpose for being, if you like.)

These entities may be at times necessary for our purposes and their use should be kept under strict control. Whose then? What really matters is that our Cosmotheist principles be engraved in the hearts of those who are selected to shoulder responsibilities in all areas of life that have an impact on Whites. Separation of Church and anything by, of, and for Whites is out of the question. Let others govern themselves that way, but our society and all institutions that is present and is to come needs the purpose and goals to guide it.
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Re: Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by Richard_G_603 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:27 pm

We must understand the historical significance of this statement. Penned by Thomas Jefferson is is referring that the federal government will stay out of religious matters more or less.
He wrote this because the united states was a pluralistic society (as far as for a variety of European peoples and ONLY for those European peoples) which held Anglicans, Presbyterians, Catholics, Quakers, and more, and in Europe each state had a religion it more or less endorsed, Anglicans in England, Presbyterians in the Netherlands, Catholics in France, and so on. And the governments would prefer their endorsed religion and people of that religion over other faiths, often engaging in outright hostility and persecution. So Jefferson was making in clear that the government of the United States was neutral and uninterested in the affairs.
This occurred because the founders were heavily influenced by a certain optimism in the quality and goodness of man (European man that is) and believed that in our new country with a clean start, people would set aside age old biases and at the very least leave another man alone in his personal affairs.
This unfortunately has backfired in the long run, with many cults of dangerous doctrines popping up over time and finding fertile soil to grow, mormonism, seventh day Adventism, Pentecostalism, and so on. But worse yet, it left the door open for the greatest enemy of our people to enter into what could and should have been the crowing jewel of European civilization, hidden amidst the great tide of migrants from Europe, deceiving us into believing they were just one more strange group of European immigrants, and begin to eat away at us, grow fat from our prosperity, nest and reproduce, fester as a pungent ooze, and slow ly make septic the body, mind, and soul of this once European, once great nation.
That reason alone for now and for all time is why we cannot have an absolute separation of church and state under cosmotheism, because at the very least we must engage in a state level persecution of this tribal faith from distant desert lands and let not one practioner, even sympathizer, reside withing our borders.

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Re: Separation of church and state - legitimate or a farce?

Post by californiasurviving » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:15 pm

Richard_G_603 wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:27 pm
We must understand the historical significance of this statement. Penned by Thomas Jefferson is is referring that the federal government will stay out of religious matters more or less.
He wrote this because the united states was a pluralistic society (as far as for a variety of European peoples and ONLY for those European peoples) which held Anglicans, Presbyterians, Catholics, Quakers, and more, and in Europe each state had a religion it more or less endorsed, Anglicans in England, Presbyterians in the Netherlands, Catholics in France, and so on. And the governments would prefer their endorsed religion and people of that religion over other faiths, often engaging in outright hostility and persecution. So Jefferson was making in clear that the government of the United States was neutral and uninterested in the affairs.
This occurred because the founders were heavily influenced by a certain optimism in the quality and goodness of man (European man that is) and believed that in our new country with a clean start, people would set aside age old biases and at the very least leave another man alone in his personal affairs.
This unfortunately has backfired in the long run, with many cults of dangerous doctrines popping up over time and finding fertile soil to grow, mormonism, seventh day Adventism, Pentecostalism, and so on. But worse yet, it left the door open for the greatest enemy of our people to enter into what could and should have been the crowing jewel of European civilization, hidden amidst the great tide of migrants from Europe, deceiving us into believing they were just one more strange group of European immigrants, and begin to eat away at us, grow fat from our prosperity, nest and reproduce, fester as a pungent ooze, and slow ly make septic the body, mind, and soul of this once European, once great nation.
That reason alone for now and for all time is why we cannot have an absolute separation of church and state under cosmotheism, because at the very least we must engage in a state level persecution of this tribal faith from distant desert lands and let not one practioner, even sympathizer, reside withing our borders.
Absolutely well said - never thought about the varieties of Christianity that were at play and how this separation of religion and government has been perverted to be used against our values. Thank you much.

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