Illegals do vote

[Jjack]

Who really won the popular vote when you take away the fraudulent voting from N.Y. and California? We may never know.

Taken from:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/noncitizens ... -elections

...laws requiring voting registrants and voters to establish proof of citizenship have been repeatedly challenged in recent years. The most frequent objections to these reasonable measures are that voter fraud is a “myth” and that voter ID requirements will unreasonably interfere with the right to vote. However, these claims seem patently unreasonable given that there have been numerous reports of unlawful voting by aliens but virtually no reports of voters being disenfranchised.

...several municipalities in Maryland have begun allowing non-citizens to vote in town elections; and the City of Chicago now allows non-citizen voting in school advisory council elections. To date, no state has extended non-citizen voting beyond municipal elections. State efforts to extend the franchise to non-citizens undermine the rule of law, blur the distinctions between citizens and non-citizens, and render U.S. elections susceptible to both fraud and foreign influence.

...the preferred form of documentary identification in the United States is the drivers’ license. Drivers’ licenses are issued by the states, pursuant to a widely varying body of state-specific laws and regulations. Currently, twelve states and the District of Columbia allow illegal aliens to obtain a drivers’ license.

The Real ID Act, enacted May 11 2005, which established standards for state-issued licenses and other identity documents – including verification of immigration status. However, only 24 states and territories are currently compliant. Many of the allegedly compliant states have continued issuing licenses and state ID cards to illegal aliens and short-term visitors. Others – such as Delaware Utah – have continued to issue “driving privilege cards” or other non-license documents.

There is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. In addition to the illegal aliens already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the illegal alien population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.

Combining the estimated numbers of both legal and illegal aliens, there appear to be at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. 1.6 million are tourists and other brief-stay visitors; approximately 2.4 million are long-term visa-holders, such as students and temporary workers.

Many politicians are taking firm stances on issues affecting migrants, including amnesty, entitlements and sanctuary city policies. This gives non-citizens a significant incentive to register as voters and cast a ballot. For example, in East Chicago, Indiana, a city with 30,000 residents, voting fraud was so systemic in 2003 that the State Supreme Court ordered a new election with heightened verification. When unlawful voters were prohibited from casting a ballot the outcome of the election changed.

In 2014, a study released by a team of professors from Old Dominion University and George Mason University estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted In the 2008 presidential election. They also surmised that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm election. In addition, the study estimated that 80 percent of non-citizens who appeared to have voted cast their ballots in favor of one party. Non-citizens are believed to have voted in these elections in numbers great enough to have affected the outcome.

The PROBLEM could be addressed through true compliance with the Real ID Act, the implementation of voter ID requirements for all federal, state and local elections, and the consistent use of an automated eligibility verification system like USCIS’ Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program which provides a fast, secure and efficient verification service for federal, state and local benefit-granting agencies to verify a benefit applicant’s immigration status or naturalized/derived citizenship.

[Jim Mathias]

I've never understood why having voters decide anything of importance is so valuable to us. The whole concept of democracy is that of a popularity contest, to the holders of the organs of public opinion go the power to shape what is popular and what isn't. If those who hold that power happen to be corrupt, they'll corrupt the body politic and destroy a society from within with their insinuations, omissions and commissions of managed information, and other rhetorical devices to make their destructive views popular. We see this presently in the United States and elsewhere.

But let's say those holders of power are honest seekers of high ideals, human fallibility is still present. In this sort of state, left without anyone to check and hold accountable those who hold this power, errors can become compounded over time. A nation can become confused and thus weakened as the multitudes carry out a popular but self-destructive flawed plan. To put it bluntly, democracy is a poor form of governance.

This may offend many, but I believe that "free speech rights" as given generally and broadly should have a responsibility mechanism built into it to prevent the abuse of mass communications for any sort of governmental form. I believe this would involve a well-trained institution that monitors the content and has the ability to demand compliance to high standards and ideals not currently in existence so far as I know.