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WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by Will Williams » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:29 pm

Dr. William Pierce on the Difference between National Socialism and Fascism
03-17-2013 by James Harting

The notion that the National-Socialism of Adolf Hitler is a type or variant of a more generally defined "fascism" is a staple of Marxist propaganda and analysis. Indeed, the Marxists have been so persistent and strident in making this false claim that it has infected the thinking even of some of those who claim to be NS themselves.

Back in 1970, Dr. William L. Pierce addressed this issue in his column "Questions & Answers for National Socialists," that appeared in WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, which was mass distribution tabloid of the National Socialist White People's Party. (Dr. Pierce is listed as the "Associate Editor" for the issue in which this particular column was printed.)

Read and learn!

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Q: Liberals often refer to National Socialists as "fascists." Are they correct in this practice?

A: Liberals apply the label "fascist" to anyone whose ideas they find abhorrent or dangerous--even conservatives. They tend to use this term as a smear word, not restricting it to the adherents of any specific ideology. Thus, they probably feel as justified in trying to smear us with the label "fascist" as any other of their opponents.

Q: Well, is it proper for National Socialists to refer to themselves as "fascists?"

A: Certainly not. When we use the term we are virtually always referring to the adherents of the specific social-political doctrine on which Benito Mussolini founded his governmental system in Italy--that is Fascist with a captial "F." Although it may not seem important to the liberal, there is a profound difference between National Socialism and Fascism.

Q: But I thought that both Fascism and National Socialism were highly centralized, authoritarian and strongly nationalistic forms of goverment, with only slight differences between the ways they operated.

A: You have been reading too many textbooks written by liberals. Certainly the Fascist state and the National Socialist movement are authoritarian, and they both have a strong social basis. Furthermore, both Adolf Hitler's National Socialist government and Mussolini's Fascist government administered most of their programs for national and social renewal on a centralized, nationwide basis. Both governments brought forth immense popular enthusiasm, which was manifested in numerous public demonstrations and celebrations. All these things contributed to a seeming similarity. But the differences betwen the two systems are by no means slight!

Q: What are some of these differences?

A: The really fundamental difference lies in the role of the state and the race under each system.

In Mussolini's word's:
"The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state--a synthesis and a unit of all values--interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people...It is not the nation that generates the state...Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people...In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative..."

To the National Socialist, on the other hand, it is our Race, not the state, which is all-important. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote:
"The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar creatures... States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten monstrosities in fact." (II:2)
There are many important consequences of this basic difference in attitudes. For example, under Fascism anyone, regardless of racial background can be a citizen, as long as he accepts his responsibility to the state. Under National Socialism, on the other hand, membership in the racial community is the first requrement of citizenship.

(Source: WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, number 11, January-February 1970, p. 5)

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Comments by James Harting: Apart from theoretical considerations that Dr. Pierce discusses, historically Fascism was notoriously weak on the crucial issues of Race and the Jewish Question. This is true both of Mussolini's original and of knock-off copies, such as that of Sir Oswald Mosely.

From 1914 through 1935, Mussolini's mistress, confidant and political advisor was Margherita Sarfatti, a wealthy Italian Jewish intellectual. She undoubtedly influenced Fascist doctrine and policies during this period, and was probably responsible for the Duce's initial hostility to National-Socialism and the Hitler movement.

A more public example of Fascist policy is the 1935 invasion and subsequent conquest of Ethiopia by the Italians. This action is absolutely unjustifiable from National-Socialist standpoint. Apart from all other criticisms, the end result of bringing tens of millions of Ethiopians into Mussolini's neo-Roman empire would have been a disastrous racial contamination of the Italian bloodline. Even with the most stringent laws against miscegenation, Negro genes would have inevitably drifted into the Italian gene pool over time, and thence to all of Aryan Europe.

I am aware that the attitudes and policies towards Race and the Jews were markedly better during the second incarnation of Fascism, that of the Italian Social Republic of 1944-45. Under pressure from the Germans, either direct or indirect, the Fascists made an attempt to bring themelves into line with the Hitlerian New Order. But it was too little, too late.

On the fringes of the Fascist movement, Baron Julius Evola (1898-1974) made an effort to provide Fascism with an ideological racial underpinning, but his effort fell way short of what was needed. Evola's theories are based on a "spiritual" racialism that is at odds with National-Socialist scientific, biological racialism. At the instruction of Heinrich Himmler, Evola's theories were investigated by the SS and formally rejected as non-NS.

I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as "small-f" fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling's Nasjonal Sammling in Norway. Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others--and miles apart from the Hitler movement. Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.

Note on the Movement career of Dr. Pierce: William Pierce's Movement career may be divided into three periods:
Early -- From the early 1960s through the assassination of Lincoln Rockwell in 1967. During this period, he served as a consultant to Commander Rockwell, and produced the first issues of National Socialist World, but otherwise his active involvement in the Movement was minimal.
Middle -- From 1968 to 1970, Dr. Pierce played an active role in the National Socialist White People's Party, of which he was a member and leading officer, and of the World Union of National Socialists, of which he was the General Secretary.
Late -- Following his dismissal from the NSWPP and WUNS in 1970, he took over and then re-molded the National Youth Alliance, which he later renamed the National Alliance. During this long and productive period of Movement involvement, he authored four books, made numerous American Dissident Voices broadcasts, gave innumerable speeches and wrote countless articles, essays and editorials.

During the first two periods, when he supported the American Nazi Party/NSWPP, he openly identified himself as a National-Socialist, and his writings were explicitly NS. During the third period, he no longer publicly identified himself as NS, but everything he wrote, said and did was implicitly, although not explictly, National-Socialist.

There is no discontinuity in ideological content between what Pierce first wrote in National Socialist World in 1966 and his American Dissident Voice's broadcasts of 2002.
Rather, his words comprise a seamless whole, from the beginning of his involvement with the American Nazi Party to the end of his life. I consider everything that William Pierce produced to be an integral and important part of American National-Socialism, no matter what the period was in which he produced it.
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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by Jim Mathias » Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:09 am

Too many times I've found the same ignorance of the difference between Fascism and National Socialism in the conversations between pro-Whites. This article does help to clear things up.
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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by fluxmaster » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:20 am

Will Williams wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:29 pm
I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as "small-f" fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling's Nasjonal Sammling in Norway. Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others--and miles apart from the Hitler movement. Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.
If an umbrella term is needed to cover parallel movements, a more appropriate term to use would be Third Positionist.

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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by RCavallius » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:49 am

fluxmaster wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:20 am
If an umbrella term is needed to cover parallel movements, a more appropriate term to use would be Third Positionist.
I don't like it; too broad.
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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by Will Williams » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:37 pm

fluxmaster wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:20 am
Will Williams wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:29 pm
I know that there are some in the Movement who want to define Fascism more broadly, and include as "small-f" fascists, including all sorts of parallel movements from the 1930s and 1940s, such as the Falangists in Spain, the Arrow Cross movement in Hungary, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania and Vidkun Quisling's Nasjonal Sammling in Norway. Despite some superficial similarities, each of these movements was ideologically distinct from the others--and miles apart from the Hitler movement. Each country produced its own form of national regeneration, based on its own unique historical experience and immediate political needs. Whatever justification for existence these movements may have had in the pre-1945 world, in the post-War era they have none, for only an international, pan-Aryanist Hitler movement provides the way foward for our Race in the 21st century.
If an umbrella term is needed to cover parallel movements, a more appropriate term to use would be Third Positionist.
James Harting, a devout National Socialist, wrote that, not I. His term pan-Aryan is a suitable umbrella term, as is racial nationalist.

Third Position was a popular term in Europe among nationalists during the 1980s.
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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by Thomas S NJ » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:41 pm

It was an “umbrella term” after all…
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Re: WLP: Difference between National Socialism and Fascism

Post by White_Vengeance » Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:16 pm

I take no sides in the matter that is being discussed, the usage of the terms "Third Position/Third Positionist" versus "Pan-Aryan," and which is the more correct. Irrespective of that fact, I am cognizant of the fact that, oftentimes, we in the pro-White activism/White Nationalist movement get far too hung-up on simple terms, to the point of subjectively modifying them to fit our own personal viewpoints and positions; and, even worse, get diverted from our larger and more exigent goals, the restoration of the White race to its position of unsurpassed greatness within the world. A great case-in-point is the word, "Aryan," a word that sends otherwise-rational White people into a blind rage if we refuse to accept and adopt their so-called "definition" of the word.

Just this afternoon I once-again felt compelled to address the subject of the mis-usage of the word "Aryan" on Stormfront. While I seriously doubt that I've satisfied the fighting spirit of both sides, I hope that I have at least simmered their hostile tempers. For the sake of brevity and so as not to resurrect a subject that I believe has been resolved on the White Biocentrism Site, I will offer no further input into this subject. My definition of "Aryan" was taken, verbatim, from our outstanding recruitment booklet, titled: "Building a New White World/What is the National Alliance?" and the reason I feel strongly that the matter has been put to rest.
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